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Bush eyes Democrats for help on amnesty
The Washington Times ^ | November 9, 2006 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 11/09/2006 2:14:10 AM PST by NapkinUser

President Bush yesterday said he will team up with Democrats to pass an immigration bill with a guest-worker program that his own party blocked this year, and his Republican opponents predicted a bloody intraparty fight but said they cannot stop such a bill from passing.

"We will fight it, we will lose. It will go to the Senate, it will pass. The president will sign it. And it will happen quickly because that's one thing they know they can pass," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and chairman of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, who had led the opposition to a guest-worker plan. "I am absolutely horrified by this prospect, but I have to face reality."

Mr. Bush supported a bipartisan majority in the Senate this year that passed a broad immigration bill including a new worker program and citizenship rights for millions of illegal aliens. But House Republicans blocked those efforts, calling them an amnesty, and instead forced through a bill to erect nearly 700 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 2007amnesty; aliens; crimigration; gopsurrender; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; jorgearbustoisback; lareconquista; notthiscrapagain; peoplewhodidntvote; sameoldbushbash; savagelistners; shamnesty
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To: Netizen
if Mexico hasn't successfully anexed the US by then

If Atzlan gets their way, they'll have overtaken the South/Northwest and will then be attempting to secede from The Union. Civil War II perhaps?

141 posted on 11/09/2006 5:50:49 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Now is the time to get out of a bed with Democrats, not get more cozy.

I think the second trimester is too late to take the morning after pill. /sarcasm

142 posted on 11/09/2006 5:51:48 AM PST by Netizen (When a candidate fails to appeal to enough voters, to get elected, whose fault is that?)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
That's because the Republicans in Congress (the House) were bucking their own President and they treaded lightly.

The Senate Reps voted against the immigration bill 32-23. They also bucked the President, but the Dems voted almost unanimously for the bill. The bill is now anti-cloture proof.

143 posted on 11/09/2006 5:52:09 AM PST by kabar
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To: defconw
I think a fair compromise that is not amnesty can be reached

How? Millions of illegal aliens have committed, and continue to commit, felonies. Theft of SS numbers, etc. If you don't give them amnesty, then you have to arrest as many as possible and then at least deport them. None of them could ever be eligible for citizenship.

Yet, giving these felons a 'path to citizenship' is at the heart of the 'comprehensive immigration reform' bill the President craves.

Also, thousands of businesses have committed crimes by knowingly hiring illegals. The same 'comprehensive immigration reform' bill gives those businesses, and their executives, amnesty for their crimes.

How do you propose compromising all that without giving amnesty? Please explain. Seriously.

144 posted on 11/09/2006 5:53:19 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Loud Mime
Bush is safe. The democrats don't want Cheney as president.

Ha, don't be surprised if they go after Cheney as well. They would love to see Pelosi take over.

It is friggin scary to think she is second in line. Geez...this country hs gone to hell in a hand basket.

145 posted on 11/09/2006 5:55:17 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: NapkinUser

I'm glad the pandering has begun in earnest. Take 'em for granted blacks and Christian conservatives are no longer needed, apparently, by the two parties. It's all illegal aliens, all the time.


146 posted on 11/09/2006 5:56:12 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: onyx
Truth hurts. Live with it, Einstein.

No you hurt our chances in the future acting like a 5 year old DU'er with your immature little brain fart. All ilk like you do is further anger future support for the conservative cause. You must be right brained or a sort of liberal reactionary type for your emotional lashing out don't amount to a tinkers damn. You got to look at root cause and look for the future.

Please stop the handwringing, whining crying and taunts and lets work for the future.

What is done is done and looking backwards don't change anything

At least you entertain any DU or Moveon type that reads your little rant and diatribe they have to be laughing their ass off right now....groan....

147 posted on 11/09/2006 5:56:47 AM PST by democrats_nightmare
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To: raybbr


His immigration positions were known when he ran in 2000 and in 2004. Why are you surprised?

The House was our firewall and it's gone!


148 posted on 11/09/2006 5:57:30 AM PST by onyx (I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

I'll be protesting right along with you. Thanks for your service, and Happy Veterans Day!!


149 posted on 11/09/2006 5:57:50 AM PST by JZelle
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To: YoungSoutherner
Shame on all those people who felt the need to punish Republicans by staying home.

And shame on those that sacrificed their principles and voted for moderates/RHINOS all these years. They have incrementally chased true conservatives away. They are now reaping what they have sown. A republican party that is more moderate than conservative.

150 posted on 11/09/2006 5:58:43 AM PST by Netizen (When a candidate fails to appeal to enough voters, to get elected, whose fault is that?)
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To: savedbygrace
Well I am not paid to come up with it. I am not sure exactly but what I do know is that when you all stay home because you can't get your way 100 percent of the time. We lose elections. (Note the use of You and Your is not to be taken by anyone as being personally singled out).

It amazes me that I need to offer a PC disclaimer in order to not get back the impending righteous indignation that I voted blah blah blah post.

You guys do it your way and we'll work on a compromise and in 08 I guess we'll know. It will take at least that long to get both sides to sit down and shut up long enough to even talk.

151 posted on 11/09/2006 5:58:59 AM PST by defconw (Gearing up for W2 in 08!)
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To: Netizen
No, they weren't. They voted for a 'virtual fence' with little funding and this just a couple of months prior to the mid term elections.

No, you are wrong. The House passed HR 4437 on Dec 16, 2005.

This bill revealed major divisions within the Republican Party over the issue of immigration. President Bush proposed a "balanced approach" of tightened boarder security and a guest worker program for undocumented immigrants currently in the United States. But a more hardline Republican faction in the House was able to turn the tide against the president's plan. The result was this bill, which clamped down on illegal immigration and toughened border security, but omitted any new avenue for current illegal immigrants to gain legal status.

The bill would impose stiffer fines for employers who hire illegal aliens, add new mandatory minimum sentences for immigrant smugglers, and mandate automatic detention and deportation for immigrants caught crossing the border illegally. In addition it would add mandatory sentences for illegal immigrants who re-renter the country after being deported. The bill was opposed by what a Washington Post report called "unusual coalition of business lobbies; ethnic groups, such as the National Council of La Raza; religious organizations; and labor unions" that argued "the measure is too harsh on illegal immigrants and imposes unworkable requirements on employers." Proponents asserted that the bill included essential security measures for keeping the country safe.

After passage in late 2005, the House bill moved to the Senate, which took up immigration reform in April 2006. The Senate came close to agreeing on a compromise bill that would have included broadened security measures and a guest worker program for undocumented workers who had been in the country for more than five years. However, negotiations over amendments to the bill broke down just before the Easter recess and the Senate adjourned without taking action.

152 posted on 11/09/2006 5:59:28 AM PST by kabar
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To: NapkinUser

Last night I heard Dick Morris say that 60% of Hispanic voters went Democrat on Tuesday.

It seems to me that President Bush's immigration plan (as awful as it is) was meant to bring Hispanic voters into the Republican fold. I, too, hate the plan, but if Hispanics (the largest growing minority) become a solid Democrat voting block, then it will be hard for any Republican to be elected...ever. It's just a matter of numbers.


153 posted on 11/09/2006 6:01:17 AM PST by freedom4me ("Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom."--Ben Franklin)
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To: democrats_nightmare

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You're the one pitching a hissy fit. I am calm. It's laughable that you think my posts can make anyone stay home. LOL.

Good day, dolt.


154 posted on 11/09/2006 6:05:46 AM PST by onyx (I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
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To: onyx
His immigration positions were known when he ran in 2000 and in 2004. Why are you surprised?

Where in that speech does he mention immigration? It's all about the hispanic culture which he embraces, almost over the American culture. He never said he was going to open the borders. He never said he wanted to allow millions of mexicans to come here.

The House was our firewall and it's gone!

You can thank Bush's lack of leadership on that score. He hispandered and the losers in the House followed his lead. Also, in the Senate. If Bush is against amnesty he will veto any bill that proproses it, right?

155 posted on 11/09/2006 6:06:30 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Netizen
They are now reaping what they have sown. A republican party that is more moderate than conservative.

Stop being nice. Call them what they are - quislings.

156 posted on 11/09/2006 6:08:26 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Penny; B4Ranch; hedgetrimmer; Czar; S; Smartass
...(as does Byrd).

Senator Byrd stopped Bush's amnesty a few years ago.

157 posted on 11/09/2006 6:09:01 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: freedom4me
if Hispanics (the largest growing minority) become a solid Democrat voting block, then it will be hard for any Republican to be elected...ever

Kinda hard to run a presidential race if you already know from the get-go that you don't stand a chance in California, Texas, etc...

158 posted on 11/09/2006 6:09:49 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: onyx
That's it! Onyx I am never voting again! j/k.

See you later. Off to discuss wedding plans with previous best friend. She's being a good sport now that I have a new best friend. ;)

159 posted on 11/09/2006 6:11:11 AM PST by defconw (Gearing up for W2 in 08!)
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To: raybbr
'Guest Worker' is a way of ensuring that the amnestied are Mexicans, not Africans, Europeans, Asians, etc...
160 posted on 11/09/2006 6:15:06 AM PST by Fraulein
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