The crazies that are calif will kill one of their golden gooses if this passes. The socialist state uses ciggy taxes to pay for all kinds of crap and if this passes folks will quit in droves. Then tax revenues will actually fall leaving the politicos to scramble for other ways to steal from the populace.
>>The crazies that are calif will kill one of their golden gooses if this passes. The socialist state uses ciggy taxes to pay for all kinds of crap and if this passes folks will quit in droves. Then tax revenues will actually fall leaving the politicos to scramble for other ways to steal from the populace.<<
I talked to a CEO buddy in Cali yesterday who said these are "good taxes" because they were carefully crafted to raise revenue without driving industry out of the state...
Well, maybe one-fourth will quit smoking, but the majority will start rolling their own or crossing the state borders, etc. Where there is a will there is a way. And don't forget: people are still ordering cigarettes off of the Internet.
That's the trouble with this............the lawmakers talk out of both sides of their mouths! They say they want a smoke free state, but then they raise taxes on cigarettes to balance their stupid budgets. We all know they can't have both!
Yeah, this isn't about preventing the masses from getting something that is bad for their health. This is all about money. If cigarettes are so bad, ban them!
Taxing the socks off of addicts is sickening.....Politico's will do anything, absolutely anything for a tax buck. Disgusting.
Depends. What are the health care costs of smokers. I am not an anti smoking ninny at all. But smokers do miss more days of work with colds because it hits them harder. Smokers do get debilitating diseases that the state picks up. For a personal choice. Which is fine. Smoke em if you got em. But, let's not pretend that other tax payers and businesses aren't paying alot of money for that choice.
Forget the long sick absentee problem. My mother in law smokes 3 packs a day, minimum. How productive can you be if you need to have a smoke break every 20 minutes? If I "needed" a quarter pounder with cheese every 20 minutes to make it through the day, my work output would stink.
The crazies that are calif will kill one of their golden gooses if this passes. The socialist state uses ciggy taxes to pay for all kinds of crap and if this passes folks will quit in droves.
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Ironically, Meathead Rob Reiner used to be against further cig tax increases in CA because it would threaten the revenue from his pet project do gooder pre-k for all agenda. Now that he is gone, they are finally free. Take a gander at the future to see what will happen to the $2.60 money grab from hard working Americans.
http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060316.shtml
And that's only if the cash cow continues. People aren't as dumb as the liberals want to believe.
Big Mac lovers, you are next. This was a great piece by Radley Balko from Cato. It's all about socialized health care.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5226
"This creeping socialization of medicine gives government new license to meddle with our private affairs. It creates a climate where excessive state interference in the most intimate of personal matters – what we put into our mouths – becomes not only acceptable among the electorate, but desirable. After all, if that cheeseburger you're eating clogs your arteries and puts you in the hospital, your poor choices will be reflected in my health insurance premiums. If you're on Medicare or Medicaid, it'll show up in my taxes.
That's exactly the argument the government put forward in the summer of 2004 when the Department of Health and Human Services announced that Medicare would consider covering the costs of obesity treatments, including diet plans, counseling, and gastro-bypass surgery, all new frontiers for preventative government intervention. HHS officials insisted that the change would save taxpayers money over the long haul if obesity were prevented or treated before the ill-health effects associated with the condition begin to present themselves.
It isn't difficult to see how this argument could be applied in a larger sense – that we need to tax fatty or sugary foods, for example, to save everyone money on health insurance premiums and to keep the obesity problem from bankrupting Medicare and Medicaid. In fact, that exact argument has been made – and by a credentialed conservative, no less. Writing on National Review Online, David Frum wrote:
And as Americans struggle with an epidemic of obesity - and the ensuing costs to the taxpayer - conservatives who favor (as almost all conservatives do favor) Medicare and Medicaid need to ask themselves whether their easy libertarian attitude to the worst practices of the fast food industry retains its relevance. Big Gulp drinks and super-sized fries are making America sick - and you are paying the bill. A little moderation would cure a lot of medical and fiscal ills; and a little incentive might induce that moderation.
It's bad enough hearing that kind of talk from the left. But when it comes from the right, too, it's a bad harbinger for what might be ahead.
George Will had a great piece about this topic too. His point was that this socialism only works if sales of cigarettes remain brisk forever.