[grey_whiskers]

Yes, I often get criticized for valuing knowledge over ignorance. My point exactly.

The problem is that by starting from such a tack, you give the impression that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant, and willfully so. Regardless of the *grounds* of the disagreement. Although I agree, that some of the pro-cre posters are much more strident than others; as indeed, some of the pro-evos are much bigger jerks than others.

And it can be taken (in a certain light) as hinting at the perjorative meaning of "ignorant". NOTE: I don't take it that way, since I think it *holds out hope* for the one who is ignorant.

I think most of the detractors (including Dominic_Harr) are objecting to that last point...

Cheers!

[Tench_Coxe]

"The problem is that by starting from such a tack, you give the impression that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant, and willfully so. Regardless of the *grounds* of the disagreement. Although I agree, that some of the pro-cre posters are much more strident than others; as indeed, some of the pro-evos are much bigger jerks than others."

You have identified the crux of the issue, as far as one group is conerned. Trust me, I've seen certain creo folks posting thing to pick a fight.

There is another aspect here I think is being missed--some of the folks who do have a legimate interest in discussing science, I think IMHO, have been manipulated by a few who get their kicks out of doing so.