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Kennedy’s Comrade: Hunting a KGB Mole in the Democratic Party
Original FReeper research | 10/23/2006 | Fedora

Posted on 10/23/2006 2:07:13 PM PDT by Fedora

Kennedy’s Comrade: Hunting a KGB Mole in the Democratic Party

By Fedora

With thanks to those who helped

Profile of an Agent

In 1999, espionage author Christopher Andrew revealed that Soviet archives smuggled by defector Vasili Mitrokhin described an unnamed KGB agent recruited from California Democratic Party circles in the 1970s:

Though [Gus] Hall tended to overstate the influence of undeclared members of the CPUSA within the Democratic Party, there was at least one to whom the [KGB’s] Centre attached real importance during the 1970s: a Democratic activist in California recruited as a KGB agent during a visit to Russia. The agent, who is not identified by name in the reports noted by Mitrokhin, had a wide circle of influential contacts in the Democratic Party: among them Governor Jerry Brown of California, Senator Alan Cranston, Senator Eugene McCarthy, Senator Edward Kennedy, Senator Abraham Ribicoff, Senator J. William Fulbright and Congressman John Conyers, Jr. During the 1976 Presidential campaign the agent was able to provide inside information from within the Carter camp and a profile of Carter himself, which were particularly highly valued by the Centre since it had so few high-level American sources. On one occasion he spent three hours discussing the progress of the campaign at a meeting with Carter, Brown and Cranston in Carter's room at the Pacific Hotel. His report was forwarded to the Politburo. During the final stages of the campaign the agent had what the KGB claimed were 'direct and prolonged conversations' with Carter, Governor Brown and Senators Cranston, Kennedy, Ribicoff and Jacob Javits. Andropov attached such importance to the report on these conversations that he forwarded it under his signature to the Politburo immediately after Carter's election. . .Mitrokhin had access only to reports in FCD files based on intelligence provided by the agent, not to the agent's file itself--probably because he had been recruited by the Second (rather than the First) Chief Directorate during a visit to the Soviet Union. Within the United States he seems to have been run from the San Francisco residency.1

Narrowing Down the Suspects

Following publication of Andrew’s book, I began trying to identify this individual. I worked from the clues provided in Andrew’s summary as quoted above. Unfortunately, Andrew did not include the original Russian text of the document in his book, nor have I yet been able to find it among the original documents he has reproduced in his other published work, so I should emphasize that here I am working from Andrew’s English summary of a Russian original document, not from the original document itself. Due to this, I have unanswered questions about how to interpret the significance of certain phrases mentioned above, such as the characterization of the agent as a “Democratic activist”. Hopefully the original document will be made available in the future and will shed light on these details. But in any case, here is what I have been able to find by following up on the clues Andrew has provided so far.

In the process of trying to collect details on the “Pacific Hotel” meeting with Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown, and Alan Cranston, I learned that Los Angeles Times reporter Tyler Marshall had questioned Cranston about the meeting without success:

Asked about the account Thursday, Cranston said he was unaware whom the Soviet mole might be.

"I have no idea who this guy is," Cranston said. The former senator said that he recalled a Carter campaign event at the Pacific Hotel but remembered no meeting between the three Democrats as described by Mitrokhin.

"It's not logical such a meeting would have occurred," Cranston said. "I don't believe it happened. Sounds like this agent [was] trying to build up his own reputation."2

Jamie Dettmer also questioned Cranston, as well as Jerry Brown and Jimmy Carter, with similar results. As Dettmer reported on an intelligence community discussion forum:

I talked to Cranston and Brown and Carter about the 1970s spy--all recalled the meeting but not who was in the room. We also tried the hotel but their records did not go back that far. We also tried the Carter library but they could not help either.3

A participant in the same thread as Dettmer’s post suggested that the suspect profile fit Tom Hayden.4 This sounded like a guess worth pursuing—Hayden certainly fit the description of a “Democratic activist in California”, and he had frequently associated with Communist front groups and toured Communist countries. But I wanted confirmation, so I began checking into Hayden and Carter’s known movements to determine whether there was any convergence with the other details given in the KGB archives. A research assistant helped me dig up any pertinent information on Carter’s visits to California during the 1976 Presidential campaign.

We soon determined that on Sunday, August 22 and Monday, August 23, 1976, Carter met with Cranston and the campaign steering committee of the Democratic National Committee at the Pacifica Hotel, also known as the Radisson Los Angeles Airport Hotel of the Pacifica Host Hotels chain. In the process we discovered there was another individual present during Carter’s visit who seemed to fit the suspect’s profile better than Tom Hayden:

The Los Angeles Times gave a detailed summary of Carter’s visit and itinerary on August 23, 1976:

Jimmy Carter arrived in Los Angeles Sunday evening to begin a three-day West Coast trip. . .

From the airport, Carter motored to the Pacifica Hotel, where he was greeted by Sens. Alan Cranston and John V. Tunney and Mayor Bradley at a reception held under the auspices of the Democratic National Committee. . .

Inside, Carter gave a brief speech. . .

After the reception at the hotel, the former Americana Hotel in Culver City, Carter, Carter drove to the home of Lew Wasserman, Music Corp. of America chairman. . .

Brown was among the guests at the Wasserman dinner. Others included Sens. Cranston and Tunney, Rep. James C. Corman of Van Nuys, labor lawyer Sidney Korshak, producer Norman Lear, Occidental Oil head Armand Hammer, David Begelman, president of Columbia Pictures, Barry Diller, chairman of the board of Paramount Pictures, and Robert Prescott, board chairman of Flying Tiger Airlines.

Political figures attending from out of state included Democratic National Chairman Robert S. Strauss and Rep. Andrew Young of Georgia.

After the Wasserman dinner, Carter went to the Beverly Wilshire, where he was the guest of honor at a reception given by actor Warren Beatty. . .

From Los Angeles, Carter flies today to San Francisco and then tonight to Seattle. . .

Carter’s Los Angeles schedule. . .allows for no direct contact by the Georgian with substantial segments of this area’s electorate. . .

Instead, the Carter schedule calls for attending functions associated with a second meeting of the campaign steering committee of the Democratic National Committee at the Pacifica Hotel. The steering committee plans a number of meetings around the country.

In addition to speaking at Town Hall this noon, Carter plans to make an appearance this afternoon before the Watts Labor Community Action Council in the heart of the black community, and he will be interviewed for an hour at The Times.

His California itinerary will continue to be rather limited when he goes to San Francisco, where his only schedule event is a Democratic National Committee fundraiser at the Fairmont Hotel. . .5

Among the names mentioned in this Los Angeles Times article, several stand out for known Soviet intelligence associations, and one in particular emerges as a most likely suspect for the Carter campaign’s KGB mole.

Armand Hammer’s work for Soviet intelligence is well known.6 However there is no indication in the Los Angeles Times article or other sources of Hammer going back to the Pacifica with Carter after the Wasserman dinner. Nor was Hammer especially close to the other individuals described as being within the KGB agent’s circle of contacts. While we did not rule Hammer out absolutely due to a lack of exhaustive information, he did not seem to be the best match for the suspect profile.

Andrew Young is known to have been under the influence of Communist Party operative Jack “Hunter Pitts” O’Dell.7 However researchers considering Young as a suspect have pointed out that in the same passage where Christopher Andrew discusses the Carter campaign’s KGB mole, he mentions that the KGB met obstacles when attempting to recruit Young.8 This alone does not necessarily exclude Young from consideration, but when other details are considered, a better suspect emerges.

That individual is a known KGB asset mentioned in the Los Angeles Times article: California Senator John Tunney.

Fitting the Profile

Tunney’s relationship with the KGB was first revealed in 1992 after Soviet archives came into Western possession, and has recently received renewed publicity from reviews of Paul Kengor’s 2006 book The Crusader9 The documents publicized in 1992 and 2006 focused on Tunney’s mediation between Soviet officials and Ted Kennedy from 1978 to 1983. But Tunney also seems to be the best fit for the profile of the unnamed agent the KGB had placed in Jimmy Carter’s circles during the 1976 Presidential campaign.

Like the unnamed agent, Tunney had been in the Soviet Union. His business trips there after 1978 are easily documented from the public record. I found it more difficult to determine exactly when he first visited the USSR, but it was apparently before October 1974. At that time his soon-to-be-ex-wife Mieke wrote an article for Ladies’ Home Journal describing her relationship with Senator Edward Kennedy’s husband Joan, whom she had known since 1958 when their future husbands were attending law school together.10 Mieke mentioned “days in Moscow” with Joan during the past 16 years:

Both Joan and I take great pride in looking well. . .Our faces have a few more wrinkles despite the creams that we faithfully apply, but if one were to ask us to give back any of those 16 years, the stimulating yet hectic life, the action-packed days in Boston or Washington or Moscow, the answer would be never.11

When were Mieke Tunney and Joan Kennedy in Moscow between 1958 and 1974? In the wake of detente, a number of groups of Senators and Congressmen travelled to the Soviet Union between 1972 and 1974.12 Senator Kennedy made his first trip to the USSR from April 18 through 25, 1974, visiting Moscow before going on to sightseeing in Tbilisi and Leningrad. News coverage and Kennedy biographies mention that the Senator travelled with Joan and their children Kara and Ted, Jr. While in Moscow the Senator met briefly with what news accounts describe as “American residents in Moscow”. In Tbilisi Kennedy spoke at the Dartmouth Conference, an annual Soviet-American business conference, which was attended by other Americans including Chase Manhattan Bank president David Rockefeller and Senators Hugh Scott and William Roth. The Senator also met with the Soviet USA Institute, headed by Dartmouth Conference attendee Georgi Arbatov.13 I did not find any direct references to the Tunneys being present on these occasions. But I did find references to the Tunneys vacationing with the Kennedys several times during 1972-1974, when both Senators were having marital difficulties and Tunney’s son Teddy was helping Ted Kennedy, Jr. work through chemotherapy for bone cancer.14 In July 1974, the Kennedy and Tunney families were reported vacationing together in Ireland.15 So it seems plausible that Mieke Tunney’s reference to “days in Moscow” may be alluding to the Kennedys’ 1974 visit to Moscow. Hopefully further research will uncover additional information.

It proved easier to find confirmation that Tunney fit some of the other items in the unnamed agent’s profile remarkably well. His circle of contacts coincided significantly with those attributed to the agent: “Governor Jerry Brown of California, Senator Alan Cranston, Senator Eugene McCarthy, Senator Edward Kennedy, Senator Abraham Ribicoff, Senator J. William Fulbright and Congressman John Conyers, Jr.”

Tunney’s political contacts stemmed partly from his close relationship with Senator Kennedy. Tunney had been Kennedy’s college roommate in law school and was an usher at Kennedy’s wedding to Joan. Joan Kennedy and Mieke Tunney became best friends over the course of the 1960s. Meanwhile their husbands travelled together and were frequently seen together in extramarital couplings with other women.16 In addition to such social contact, Kennedy and Tunney worked together politically. For instance, while Tunney was still a Congressman in 1966, he and Kennedy and their wives travelled to the Middle East on a fact-finding trip to develop an Arab-Israeli peace plan.17 Also in 1966, Joan Kennedy and her sister Candy travelled to California to stump for the re-election of Tunney and Governor Pat Brown.18 Tunney helped Jess Unruh organize Robert Kennedy’s Presidential campaign in California in 1968,19 and early that same year Tunney and Edward Kennedy both made fact-finding trips to Vietnam.20 After Tunney was elected Senator in 1970, he and Kennedy served on the Senate Judiciary Committee together.21 They joined forces against the Nixon administration and California Governor Ed Reinecke during the Watergate investigation.22 In late 1974 and early 1975 they joined Senators Alan Cranston and Dick Clark in leading a drive to sever US aid to anti-Communist forces in Angola.23

Tunney’s close relationship with Kennedy placed him in Kennedy’s circle of contacts, intersecting with at least three of the other politicians from the unnamed KGB agent’s list of contacts: Senators Abraham Ribicoff and Jacob Javits and Congressman John Conyers, Jr.

Ribicoff, a friend of the Kennedy family since 1949, had been John Kennedy’s campaign adviser and first cabinet appointee.24 As a Senator he and his close colleague Jacob Javits had worked with Robert Kennedy on the Subcommittee on Executive Reorganization of the Senate Committee on Government Operations.25 Following Robert Kennedy’s assassination, Ribicoff had supported antiwar candidate George McGovern’s Presidential aspirations in 1968 and 1972.26 Edward Kennedy joined him in supporting McGovern in the 1972 campaign, and both Kennedy and Ribicoff were considered as running mates for McGovern.27 At the time of Kennedy’s April 1974 trip to the USSR he was cosponsoring a major piece of legislation being promoted by Ribicoff in conjunction with Senator Javits and Senator Henry Jackson, the Jackson-Vanik Amendment.28 In support of this legislation and related legislation, Tunney’s aide Mel Levine worked in coordination with Jackson’s aide Richard Perle, Javits’ aide Albert Lakeland, and Ribicoff’s aide Morris Amitay.29

John Conyers, Jr. served on the House Judiciary Committee while Tunney was on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tunney and his committee listened to a statement Conyers gave opposing the Supreme Court nomination of Lewis Powell.30 Tunney also supported the efforts of Conyers and his Democratic colleagues on the House Judiciary Committee to impeach Richard Nixon, an effort in which Senator Kennedy played a large behind-the-scenes role.31

As a Democratic Senator from California, Tunney also worked closely with two of the unnamed KGB agent’s other contacts: Senator Cranston and Governor Brown. Cranston, who was Tunney’s senior as California Senator, was quoted in a 1971 article describing the growth of his relationship with Tunney, and in 1974-1975 he supported Tunney’s efforts to cut off US aid to Angola.32 At the 1976 Democratic National Convention, where Jerry Brown was one of Carter’s leading rivals, Tunney and Cranston attended a private unity meeting between Brown’s camp and the Carter camp.33 Carter’s California campaign was aided by Brown, Cranston, Tunney, and Democratic State Chairman Charles Manatt, who had guided Tunney’s 1970 Senate campaign and later became Tunney’s law partner when the former Senator joined the firm of Manatt, Phelps, Rothenberg & Tunney (now Manatt, Phelps & Phillips).34

In addition to being present during Carter’s Los Angeles visit on August 22, 1976, Tunney also had good opportunity for the later contact with Carter and his supporters attributed to the unnamed KGB agent: “During the final stages of the campaign the agent had what the KGB claimed were 'direct and prolonged conversations' with Carter, Governor Brown and Senators Cranston, Kennedy, Ribicoff and Jacob Javits.”

Carter visited California three times during the later stages of his campaign. Following his first debate with President Ford, he spent the weekend of September 24-26, 1976 in Southern California, making an appearance at the San Diego Zoo and at an Orange County barbecue and in the process appearing publicly with Governor Brown and Senators Cranston and Tunney.35 Carter was in San Francisco for his second debate with Ford from October 4 through October 7.36 Carter made a final campaign swing through California over the weekend of October 29 through November 1, during which he joined a San Francisco telecast featuring Tunney and other Democratic candidates on Halloween, spent that evening and the next morning in Sacramento at the El Mirador Hotel with Governor Brown, and attended a Los Angeles lunch rally with Brown, Tunney, and Cranston on November 1.37

Tunney could have spoken with his best friend Kennedy at any time during this period. Kennedy had especially close access to Carter when Carter stopped in Boston on September 31 and met with Kennedy and other Democratic state leaders.38 Carter was also present at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York on October 21 for the annual dinner of the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation, which was attended by prominent members of both parties.39 I am still trying to determine whether Tunney had any documented contact with Ribicoff or Javits during the final stages of the Carter campaign.

Historical Implications

If Tunney was the unnamed KGB agent, what are the implications for history? If Tunney had already been recruited by the KGB before his 1976 Senate campaign, it could shed significant light on his activity during the Nixon-Ford administration. The precise date of the unnamed agent’s recruitment is unclear from Andrew’s summary, but his account makes it sound as if the agent had already been recruited during a visit to Russia sometime prior to the 1976 Presidential campaign. As mentioned above, Senator Kennedy had visited Russia in April 1974, and Mieke Tunney recorded reminiscences of “days in Moscow” with Joan Kennedy in an October 1974 article. During this period, as Kennedy sized up his odds in the next Presidential election and Tunney prepared to run for re-election to the Senate, both men were actively involved in promoting the Watergate prosecution.40 In late 1974, Tunney initiated the Congressional antiwar bloc’s effort to cut off US aid to Angola. Soviet archives record the KGB’s enthusiastic reviews of New York Times coverage of Congress’ attack on President Ford’s Angola policy.41

While Tunney’s relationship to the KGB before the 1976 election remains only a hypothesis supported by circumstantial evidence, there is more direct evidence available after the 1976 election, when Tunney joined the law firm of his friend Charles Manatt, who would serve as the Democratic National Committee Chairman from 1981 to 1985. Soviet archives indicate that another firm Tunney was linked to, Agritech, had a relationship to a French-American company called Finatech, which was run by David Karr—a KGB agent associated with Armand Hammer—and served as an intermediary between the KGB and Ted Kennedy between 1978 and 1980. KBG reports also mention Tunney carrying messages between Kennedy and Moscow in 1983. As summarized by Herbert Romerstein:

One of the documents, a KGB report to bosses in the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee, revealed that "In 1978, American Sen. Edward Kennedy requested the assistance of the KGB to establish a relationship" between the Soviet apparatus and a firm owned by former Sen. John Tunney (D.-Calif.). KGB recommended that they be permitted to do this because Tunney's firm was already connected with a KGB agent in France named David Karr. This document was found by the knowledgeable Russian journalist Yevgenia Albats and published in Moscow's Izvestia in June 1992.

Another KGB report to their bosses revealed that on March 5, 1980, John Tunney met with the KGB in Moscow on behalf of Sen. Kennedy. Tunney expressed Kennedy's opinion that "nonsense about 'the Soviet military threat' and Soviet ambitions for military expansion in the Persian Gulf. . .was being fueled by [President Jimmy] Carter, [National Security Advisor Zbigniew] Brzezinski, the Pentagon and the military industrial complex.". . .

In May 1983, the KGB again reported to their bosses on a discussion in Moscow with former Sen. John Tunney. Kennedy had instructed Tunney, according to the KGB, to carry a message to Yuri Andropov, the General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party, expressing Kennedy's concern about the anti-Soviet activities of President Ronald Reagan. The KGB reported "in Kennedy's opinion the opposition to Reagan remains weak. Speeches of the President's opponents are not well-coordinated and not effective enough, and Reagan has the chance to use successful counterpropaganda." Kennedy offered to "undertake some additional steps to counter the militaristic, policy of Reagan and his campaign of psychological pressure on the American population." Kennedy asked for a meeting with Andropov for the purpose of "arming himself with the Soviet leader's explanations of arms control policy so he can use them later for more convincing speeches in the U.S." He also offered to help get Soviet views on the major U.S. networks and suggested inviting "Elton Rule, ABC chairman of the board, or observers Walter Cronkite or Barbara Walters to Moscow."

Tunney also told the KGB that Kennedy was planning to run for President in the 1988 elections. "At that time, he will be 56 years old, and personal problems that have weakened his position will have been resolved [Kennedy quietly settled a divorce suit and soon plans to remarry]." Of course the Russians understood his problem with Chappaquiddick. While Kennedy did not intend to run in 1984, he did not exclude the possibility that the Democratic Party would draft him because "not a single one of the current Democratic hopefuls has a real chance of beating Reagan."

This document was first discovered in the Soviet archives by London Times reporter Tim Sebastian and a report on it was published in that newspaper in February 1992.42

So from 1978 to 1983, there is direct evidence from Soviet archives that Tunney was acting as a middleman between Senator Kennedy and the Soviet Union. Circumstantial evidence indicates that Tunney may have begun playing this role as early as 1974-1976.

Tunney’s role as courier to the Soviets was not limited to delivering messages from Kennedy. A review of Paul Kengor’s Crusader adds:

At one point after President Reagan left office, Tunney acknowledged that he had played the role of intermediary, not only for Kennedy but for other U.S. senators, Kengor said. Moreover, Tunney told the London Times that he had made 15 separate trips to Moscow.

"There's a lot more to be found here," Kengor told Cybercast News Service. "This was a shocking revelation."43

There is indeed a lot more to be found—or from the perspective of some, perhaps, a lot more to be covered up.

Notes

1Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB, New York: Basic Books, 1999, 290-291, 627n84, citing "[Mitrokhin archives] vol. 6, app. 1, part 4; t-3,76”.

2Tyler Marshall, “California and the West; KGB Records Reveal California Espionage; Intelligence: Unidentified man described as a Democratic Party activist informed Soviets about meeting with then-Sen. Cranston and presidential candidate Jimmy Carter, papers show.”, Los Angeles Times, September 24, 1999, 3.

3Jamie Dettmer, “Re: Who Was That Spy?”, Intelligence Forum, June 26, 2000, http://archives.his.com/intelforum/2000-June/msg00328.html

4John Young, “Re: Who Was That Spy?”, Intelligence Forum, June 25, 2000, http://archives.his.com/intelforum/2000-June/msg00327.html

5Kenneth Reich, “Carter in L.A., Approves Ford’s Action in Korea”, Los Angeles Times, August 23, 1976, B1. For other accounts of Carter’s trip, see Jules Witcover, Marathon: The Pursuit of the Presidency, 1972-1976, New York Viking press, 1977, 521, 525-526; Patrick Anderson, Electing Jimmy Carter: The Campaign of 1976, Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1994, 89-99.

6Joseph Finder, Red Carpet, New York: Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1983; Steve Weinberg, Armand Hammer: The Untold Story, Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1989; Harvey Klehr, John Earl Haynes, and Fridrikh Igorevich Firsov, The Secret World of American Communism, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1995, 26-30; Harvey Klehr, John Haynes, and Kyrill M. Anderson, The Soviet World of American Communism, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1998; Edward Jay Epstein, Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer, New York: Random House, 1996.

7Kenneth R. Timmerman, Shakedown: Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson, Washington, DC: Regnery Publishing, 2002, 108, 110.

8Andrew and Mitrokhin, The Sword and the Shield, 290; Gary Kern, “Who Was That Spy?”, Intelligence Forum, June 25, 2000, http://archives.his.com/intelforum/2000-June/msg00326.html

9Tim Sebastian, “Dialogue with the Kremlin”, The Sunday Times, February 2, 1992; Yevgenia Albats, “Senator Edward Kennedy Requested KGB Assistance With a Profitable Contract for his Businessman-Friend”, Izvestia, June 24, 1992, 5; Paul Kengor, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, New York: HarperCollins, 2006.

10Mieke Tunney, “My Friend, Joan Kennedy”, Ladies’ Home Journal, October 1974; Lester David Joan: The Reluctant Kennedy: A Biographical Profile, New York: Funk & Wagnalls, 1974, 121-122.

11Tunney.

12Murray Seeger, “Humphrey Warns Russ of Diploma Tax Danger: Emphasizes That Democratic Congress Will Decide Its Own East-West Policies”, Los Angeles Times, December 2, 1972, 14; Murray Seeger, “Brezhnev Talks Trade With 7 U. S. Senators: Soviet Emphasis on Legislation”, Los Angeles Times, April 24, 1973, 4.

13”Kennedy, in Moscow, Backs Visit by Nixon: Impeachment Moves Should Not Keep the President Home, Democratic Senator Says”, Los Angeles Times, April 19, 1974, A4; Murray Seeger, “Kennedy-Brezhnev Talk Indicates Russ Are Looking Beyond Nixon”, Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1974, 7; “Crowds of Smiling Georgians Give Kennedy Warm Greeting”, Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1974, 2; ;”Peasants Love Them: Kennedys Make Hit in Soviet Georgia”, Los Angeles Times, April 24, 1974, A4; Murray Seeger, “A Red Carpet for Sen. Kennedy: Kremlin Opens Its Gates to Kennedy”, Los Angeles Times, April 28, 1974, F1; ”People”, TIME, May 6, 1974; Bill Adler, The Kennedy Children: Triumphs & Tragedies, New York: Franklin Watts, 1980, 266.

14David, 225, 240; Adler, 266; Richard E. Burke, The Senator: My Ten Years With Senator Ted Kennedy, with William and Marilyn Hoffer, New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1992, 52, 67-71.

15”Kara Kennedy/Foot Injury”, ABC Evening News, July 10, 1974; ”Kara Kennedy/Foot Injury”, CBS Evening News, July 10, 1974; Adler, 266; “GAA Club to benefit from draw”, Western People, August 4, 2004, http://www.westernpeople.ie/community/story.asp?j=20861

16David, 50, 121-122, 137-138, 225-228, 240; Tunney; Joe McGinniss, The Last Brother, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1993, 560; Burke, 67-71.

17Jerusalem Post, December 2, 1966, 8; Allan Kellum, “The Presidential Candidates: How They View the Middle East”, The Link, Volume 13, Issue 1, January-February 1980; George Weller, “Dateline: Palestine”, The Link, Volume 21, Issue 2, June-July 1988.

18David, 86-87.

19Francis M. Carney, interview, July 20, 1998, online at Oral History: University of California, Riverside http://www.ucrhistory.ucr.edu/ ; Ronald Loveridge, interview, August 5, 1998, online at Oral History: University of California, http://www.ucrhistory.ucr.edu/pdf/loveridge.pdf ; Lawrence F. O’Brien, interview with Michael L. Gillette, July 21, 1987, online at Lyndon Baines Johnson Library Oral History Collection, http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/oralhistory.hom/obrienl/OBRIEN23.PDF

20United States Congress, 91st Congress, 1st Session. House Report No. 91-25: Measuring Hamlet Security in Vietnam: Report of a Special Study Mission by Honorable John V. Tunney (California) of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, House of Representatives, Pursuant to the Provisions of H. Res. 179, 90th Congress, A Resolution Authorizing the Committee on Foreign Affairs to Conduct Thorough Studies and Investigation of All Matters Coming Within the Jurisdiction of Such Committee. Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1969; Harvey Meyerson, Vinh Long, with Introduction by Congressman John Tunney, illustrated with maps by Adam Nakamura, Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1970; Don Luce and John Sommer, Viet Nam: The Unheard Voices, Foreword by Senator Edward Kennedy, Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press, 1969; "Edward M. Kennedy", Encyclopedia of World Biography, 2nd Edition, 17 Volumes., Gale Research, 1998, reproduced in Biography Resource Center. Farmington Hills, Michigan: Thomson Gale, 2006, http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/BioRC

21”Committee on the Judiciary”, http://a255.g.akamaitech.net/7/255/2422/06sep20050947/www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/senate/judiciary/sh92-69-267/members.pdf , ”Committee on the Judiciary”, http://a255.g.akamaitech.net/7/255/2422/26sep20051515/www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/senate/judiciary/sh94-63774/members.pdf ; U.S. National Archives and Records Administration: Legislative Branch: The Center for Legislative Archives, Guide to the Records of the U.S. Senate at the National Archives (Record Group 46): Chapter 13. Records of the Committee on the Judiciary and Related Committees, 1816-1968: Records of Subcommittees: Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, online at http://www.archives.gov/legislative/guide/senate/chapter-13-judiciary-1947-1968.html

22”Abuse of Governmental Power Segments”, Nixon White House Tapes, Conversation Numbers 22-84, 22-93, 23-8, 711-14, 712-6, 23-30, and 331-16, April 5-18, 1972, online at http://nixon.archives.gov/find/tapes/watergate/aogp/april_1972.pdf ; ”Gray Nom.”, ABC Evening News, March 1, 1973; ”Gray/Watergate Case”, CBS Evening News, March 9, 1973; “The Fight Over the Future of the FBI”, TIME, March 26, 1973; ”Watergate Case”, ABC Evening News, May 15, 1973; ”Watergate/Elliott Richardson”, ABC Evening News, May 22, 1973; ”Senate Probe/Cox Removal/Nixon Impeachment”, CBS Evening News, October 22, 1973;”Reinecke Arraigned”, ABC Evening News, April 10, 1974; Hearings Before the Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, Ninety-Third Congress, Second Session, Pursuant to H. Res. 803, A Resolution Authorizing and Directing the Committee on the Judiciary to Investigate Whether Sufficient Grounds Exist for the House of Representatives to Exercise Its Constitutional Power to Impeach Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States of America, Presidential Statements on the Watergate Break-In and Its Investigation, May-June 1974Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1974, Appendix I, online at http://watergate.info/judiciary/APPI.PDF

23Joshua Murvachik, “Kennedy’s Foreign Policy: What the Record Shows”, Commentary, Volume 68, Number 6, December 1979.

24”The Campaign and the Candidates”, NBC News, October 29, 1960; "Abraham (Alexander) Ribicoff", Contemporary Authors Online, Gale, 2006, reproduced in Biography Resource Center, Farmington Hills, Michigan: Thomson Gale, 2006, http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/BioRC ; "Abraham Alexander Ribicoff”, The Scribner Encyclopedia of American Lives, Volume 5: 1997-1999, Charles Scribner's Sons, 2002, reproduced in Biography Resource Center, Farmington Hills, Michigan: Thomson Gale, 2006, http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/BioRC ; “Biographies and Profiles: Abraham Ribicoff”, John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum, http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Biographies+and+Profiles/Profiles/Abraham+Ribicoff.htm

25Rufus King, The Drug Hang Up: America’s Fifty-Year Folly, Springfield, Illinois: Charles C. Thomas, 1972, Chapter 27, online at http://www.druglibrary.org/special/king/dhu/dhu27.htm

26”Convention Activities/Daley”, NBC Evening News, August 29, 1968.

27”Campaign `72/Vice President Offers--Ribicoff, Kennedy”, ABC Evening News, July 13, 1972.

28Arlene Lazarowitz, “Senator Jacob K. Javits and Soviet Jewish Emigration”, Shofar: An Interdisciplinary Journal of Jewish Studies, Volume 21, Number 4, Summer 2003, 19-31; Murray Seeger, “Kennedy-Brezhnev Talk Indicates Russ Are Looking Beyond Nixon”, Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1974, 7.

29Stephen D. Isaacs, Jews and American Politics, Garden City, New York: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1974, 255.

30John Conyers to United States Senate, November 9, 1971, from United States Senate, Nominations of William H. Rehnquist and Lewis F. Powell, Jr.: Hearings before the Committee on the Judiciary. United States Senate. November 3, 4, 8, 9 and 10, 1971., online at http://www.20thcenturyrolemodels.org/powell/LP%20Judging%20History.pdf

31Hearings Before the Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, Ninety-Third Congress, Second Session, Pursuant to H. Res. 803, A Resolution Authorizing and Directing the Committee on the Judiciary to Investigate Whether Sufficient Grounds Exist for the House of Representatives to Exercise Its Constitutional Power to Impeach Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States of America, Presidential Statements on the Watergate Break-In and Its Investigation, May-June 1974Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1974, Appendix I, online at http://watergate.info/judiciary/APPI.PDF

32Charles Powers, “Warming Up for the Big Time: Can John Tunney Make It As a Heavyweight?”, West, December 12, 1971; Carl Gershman and Bayard Rustin, “Africa, Soviet Imperialism & The Retreat of American Power”, Commentary, Volume 64, Number 4, October 1977; Murvachik; K.C. Johnson, “Clark Amendment”, http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/clark.htm

33”Carter Goes to See Brown--Asks His Help in Fall: Californians Join Candidate in Unity Session”, Los Angeles Times, July 15, 1976, 2.

34Jack Jones, “Thousands Hear Carter at Last-Day Rally in L.A.”, Los Angeles Times, November 1, 1976, A1. On Manatt and Tunney, see e.g. David Watson, “Davis Names Pines, Five Others to Los Angeles Superior Court: Governor Also Appoints 10 to Other Courts, Leaving Only a Handful of Vacancies”, Metropolitan News-Enterprise, November 13, 2003, http://www.metnews.com/articles/appt111303.htm; Mary Ellen Leary, “The Democratic New Guard”, The Nation, Volume 212, Issue 10, March 8, 1971, 302-305; Federal Election Commission to Terry D. Garcia, “Federal Election Commission Advisory Opinion Number 1982-63”, February 10, 1983, online at http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/ao/no/820063.html ; “Decision 1984/California Primary”, NBC Evening News, March 19, 1984; Irvin Molotsky and Warren Weaver, Jr., “BRIEFING; Grassley and the Democrats”, The New York Times, August 23, 1985.

35”Carter To Bring Campaign To County Sept. 26”, Los Angeles Times, September 16, 1976, OC1; “Brown Campaigns for Ohioans, Plans to Assist Carter”, Los Angeles Times, September 24, 1976, B29; Bud Lembke, “Big-Name Politicians Flock to County”, Los Angeles Times, September 27, 1976, OC1, 2 pages; Don Smith, “Carter Brings Campaign to County Parade, Barbecue: Small Crowds Greet Carter”, Los Angeles Times, September 27, 1976, OC1, 2 pages; Patrick Anderson, Electing Jimmy Carter, 116-117.

36Kenneth Reich, “Carter Discusses Foreign Affairs With Schlesinger”, Los Angeles Times, October 4, 1976, B6; Kenneth Reich, “Carter in S.F., Vows to Debate Aggressively”, Los Angeles Times, October 5, 1976, B6; Kenneth Reich, “Carter Aides Assail Ford For His Remark On Poland”, Los Angeles Times, October 7, 1976, B27; Kenneth Reich, “State Democrats Buoyed By Carter California Tour”, Los Angeles Times, October 9, 1976, A1, 2 pages.

37“Carter to Tour State on Nov. 1”, Los Angeles Times, October 16, 1976, A23; Ellen Hume, “Buoyant Tunney Stumps With Children: Says Private Poll Gives Him 49%-41% Lead Over Hayakawa”, Los Angeles Times; November 1, 1976, B3, 2 pages “Carter Late, But Peep Show Livens Up Crowd’s Wait”, Los Angeles Times, November 1, 1976, A1; Jack Jones, “Thousands Hear Carter at Last-Day Rally in L.A.”, Los Angeles Times, November 1, 1976, A1; Bill Boyarsky, “Ford, Carter Wind Up Race, Wait for Voting: Democrat's Hopes Buoyed by Rally in Downtown L.A.”, Los Angeles Times, November 2, 1976, B1, 3 pages; “12 Injured as Roof Collapses at Carter Rally”, Los Angeles Times, November 2, 1976, B3; Bill Boyarsky, “L.A. Rally Buoys Carter's Hopes: Crowd Enthusiastic Here on Campaign's Last Day”, Los Angeles Times, November 2, 1976, A3; “Weary Tunney Ends Campaign In Riverside”, Los Angeles Times, November 2, 1976, B3.

38 Witcover, Marathon, 589-590; William Lasser, “Carter attacks Ford on leadership issue”, The Tech, Volume 96, Number 34, October 1, 1976, 1.

39Bill Boyarsky, “Tradition Attracts Ford, Carter to Al Smith Fete”, Los Angeles Times, October 22, 1976, A5, 2 pages.

40See Note 22.

41Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World, New York: Basic Books, 2005, 452-453.

42Herbert Romerstein, “Ted Kennedy was a ‘collaborationist’, Human Events, December 8, 2003, online at http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200312/ai_n9318614 On Karr, see John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr, Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1999, 244-247.

43Kevin Mooney, “KGB Letter Outlines Sen. Kennedy's Overtures to Soviets, Prof Says”, CNSNews.com, http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200610/NAT20061020b.html , October 20, 2006.


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To: ElkGroveDan; Fedora

Does anyone know what happened to John Tunney? What has he been doing since leaving the Senate? Thanks!


161 posted on 10/24/2006 7:53:11 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Polyxene; Fedora
Does anyone know what happened to John Tunney? What has he been doing since leaving the Senate? Thanks!

AT&T TRIDOM SIGNS RUSSIAN DEALS M2 PRESSWIRE December 16, 1995

LENGTH: 667 words HEADLINE: AT&T TRIDOM SIGNS RUSSIAN DEALS

BODY: AT&T Tridom today announced a multi-million dollar, multi-year contract with the Russian Savings Bank and a related cooperative agreement with the Special Research Bureau of the Moscow Institute of Power Engineering (OKB NEI), the network integrator for the bank.

The Russian Savings Bank contract calls for AT&T Tridom to provide a VSAT system for a data communications network connecting the bank's regional offices and branches to its data centre in Moscow.

Installation of the network is scheduled to begin in February 1995, with plans to have 79 branch offices connected by the end of the year. Eventually, the network may include more than 1200 Savings Bank branches located across Russia.

Under this new agreement, OKB MEI will supply the antennas and satellite tracking equipment, and work with AT&T Tridom to adapt the VSAT system to operate with Russia's Gorizont satellites.

A separate agreement with the Savings Bank calls for OKB MEI to manage the VSAT hub and network, as well as install and maintain the remote VSAT stations.

The central hub station and network control centre will be located at OKB MEI's satellite communication facility in Bears' Lake outside Moscow. Dedicated digital lines will provide two-way data communications between Bears' Lake and the Savings Bank's main computer centre in Moscow. At each of the bank's remote branch sites, a small, satellite antenna connected to computer equipment will transmit and receive messages via the Bears' Lake hub facility to the Moscow data centre.

"Our purchase of the AT&T Tridom hardware and software system is a further demonstration of our commitment to the introduction of information technology," said Y.A. Bobyliev, vice president, Russian Savings Bank. "The creation of a new communication system will enable us to provide a significant range of new banking services to our customers."

"Reliable data communications are especially critical in a rapidly growing economy like Russia's," said Eileen McNamara-Raisch, president and CEO, AT&T Tridom. "VSAT systems are the ideal solution in these cases because they can be installed more quickly and operated more economically than terrestrial-based systems."

Konstantin Pobedonostsev, director of OKB MEI, added, "The VSAT technology from AT&T Tridom will complement our wide range of satellite and wireless communications products and services. We are pleased to have negotiated significant technological cooperation that will integrate local Russian-manufactured components into the AT&T Tridom system. This will allow us to reduce the overall cost of the system and to utilize the professional skills of our own engineers and technicians."

AT&T Tridom will train both OKB MEI and Russian Savings Bank personnel assigned to the project. This training will take place in Russia and the United States.

In addition, OKB MEI and AT&T Tridom plan to cooperate on test and repair procedures.

Market research into Russia and other Former Soviet countries by the British company Amadeus Research helped facilitate the agreements between the Russian Savings Bank, AT&T Tridom and OKB MEI. Consultative support provided by another British company, Symmetric Quorum Ltd., also contributed to concluding the contracts.

The Russian Savings Bank is the largest retail bank in Russia with more than 30,000 branches across the country.

OKB MEI is a Russian organization with more than 45 years of experience in the development of radio-electronic systems for aerospace, aviation, and communications technology.

AT&T Tridom, headquartered here, is a wholly owned subsidiary of AT&T. The company develops and markets multi-functional, satellite- based communications products and network services that use VSAT technology to address the diverse, global communications needs of organizations worldwide.

CONTACT: John Tunney, AT&T Tridom
Tel: +44 1 201 467 5858
Sandy Skinner, AT&T Tridom
Tel: +44 171 229 8023

SBD
162 posted on 10/24/2006 8:33:41 AM PDT by SBD1
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To: SBD1

Thanks! Wonder if he is still there.


163 posted on 10/24/2006 8:38:54 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks/Bump ;o)


164 posted on 10/24/2006 8:47:21 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Dan(9698)
FDR and the commies throughout his administration slowed the recovery through the 1930 with failed socialism. If we did the economic methods of today recovery would have been faster and long before the end of the 1930s.
165 posted on 10/24/2006 9:19:53 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Fedora

Bookmark for later reading.

Fedora - great work!! Please add me to your ping list, if you have one.


166 posted on 10/24/2006 9:27:54 AM PDT by nuclady
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To: Cicero; Fedora
My vote is Bill Press.

If I were a KGB agent, I'd shy away from Carter, Hayden, and Cranston, because they are jointly and severally weird clymers.

167 posted on 10/24/2006 10:22:38 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Just get me close, I'll do the rest." Donna Brazile, Election Consultant)
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To: Fedora

As always a very informative and interesting read you provide. m a r k e r


168 posted on 10/24/2006 10:28:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Fedora
Hunting a KGB Mole in the Democratic Party

Let me help you out: the ENTIRE democrat party IS the KGB mole!

169 posted on 10/24/2006 10:37:59 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: windchime

Yes, that was back when Perle was with Jackson's staff. The particular amendment in question had some good points, so I'm not suggesting there was anything scandalous about Perle's involvement there, but I mentioned that detail to provide information about the network of contacts Tunney and his staff had during that period.


170 posted on 10/24/2006 11:06:35 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Berosus

Hayakawa was a lot of fun. :')


171 posted on 10/24/2006 11:06:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fedora

:'D


172 posted on 10/24/2006 11:07:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Buckhead; Calpernia

Thanks, Buckhead! BTW Calpernia's post in 156 provides some additional details and references for the Carter angle we were discussing above--thanks for posting that, Calpernia!


173 posted on 10/24/2006 11:08:42 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: SBD1

Thanks for posting that. Karr's ties to Hammer are very important, IMO. Karr seems to have been a key player in the KGB's efforts to infiltrate corporate America in the 50s-70s.


174 posted on 10/24/2006 11:12:00 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Polyxene; ElkGroveDan; SBD1; popdonnelly
In addition to what SBD1 mentioned in 162 (which is very interesting), during his post-Senate career Tunney has also recently been tied to Armand Hammer's former museum in LA (see Post 76 by popdonnelly), and to a company called Foamex:

JOHN V. TUNNEY NAMED FOAMEX VICE CHAIRMAN

LINWOOD, PENNSYLVANIA, August 10, 2001 - Foamex International Inc. (NASDAQ: FMXI), the leading manufacturer of flexible polyurethane and advanced polymer foam products, announced today that John V. Tunney has been named Vice Chairman of the company's Board of Directors.

Tunney has been a Foamex director since 1994. His new position is in addition to his responsibilities as Chairman of the Board of both Foamex Asia and Foamex Mexico, Inc. In making the announcement, Foamex founder and Chairman Marshall S. Cogan said, "John's wisdom and guidance has been invaluable to the Board in establishing a strong international presence for our company. In his expanded capacity, he will work closely with Foamex President John Televantos and me to develop further long-term business opportunities, both here and abroad."

Tunney has been Chairman of the Board of Cloverleaf Group, Inc., an investment company, since 1981; a partner of Sun Valley Ventures, a venture capital firm, since 1995; and President of JVT Consulting Inc. since 1997. A former member of Congress and Senator from the State of California, Tunney is Vice Chairman of the Board of the Corporate Fund for Housing and a member of the Board of Directors of Swiss Army Brands, Inc.

Foamex, headquartered in Linwood, Pennsylvania, is the world's leading producer of comfort cushioning for bedding, furniture, carpet cushion and automotive markets. The company also manufactures high-performance polymers for diverse applications in the industrial, aerospace, electronics and computer industries as well as filtration and acoustical applications for the home. Revenues for 2000 were $1.3 billion. For more information visit the Foamex web site at http://www.foamex.com.

John V. Tunney, Vice Chairman, FOAMEX INTERNATIONAL (FMXI)

This section contains the Total Compensation for John V. Tunney at FOAMEX INTERNATIONAL, FMXI The current role of John V. Tunney is Vice Chairman. Total compensation includes the salary for John V. Tunney, Vice Chairman. – Bonus information for John V. Tunney, Vice Chairman. Restricted stock, long term incentives payouts, and other compensation for the Vice Chairman. Also included is stock options information both number of shares and value for John V. Tunney, Vice Chairman for FOAMEX INTERNATIONAL FMXI.

175 posted on 10/24/2006 11:19:14 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Dan(9698)

Wallace was a pretty blatant fellow traveller who received support from CPUSA in the 1948 election, and there is some debate about whether he had any relationship to the KGB, but to my knowledge he was never an open member of CPUSA.


176 posted on 10/24/2006 11:22:55 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; freema
So much to be learned from scratch for many that have not delved into these things in the past. Every time I read things about guys like Occidental Oil head Armand Hammer, the hairs on the back of my neck raise.
My education in these matters started in the 70's while reading the paper back Non Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen a then political Master degree candidate I believe studying at Berkely or UCLA.
The book shook me to my very fundations. What an eye opener.
177 posted on 10/24/2006 11:25:38 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Jack Black

The Civil War is best described as the RAT Rebellion.


178 posted on 10/24/2006 11:31:02 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Cicero
I was of your opinion until I learned of old Joe's actions in 1940-41. As you said, I believed that the Kennedys were "Mobsters, yes, but not Communists".

Pater Familias Joe Kennedy Sr. was Ambassador to the Court of Saint James, that is, Ambassador to Great Britain, from 1937 to 1940. His correspondence with the State Department and Roosevelt's executive department people shows that he followed the Moscow line closely in 1939-40.

Before the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June of 1941 the Moscow Line (the official Soviet, and therefore Communist, Definition of Reality) followed the Ribbentrop-Molotov "Non-aggression Pact" worldview.

From June 1939 to June 1941 the Soviet Union and Germany, Stalin and Hitler, were allies in Hitler's war. All communists were instructed to make propaganda in America that we should stay out of the European War, which didn't concern us, that England was doomed in any case, etc. When the Soviet Union was invaded in June 1940 the Moscow line changed direction one hundred and eighty degrees and overnight "American" communists became pro-war fire breathers. Old Joe behaved in this pattern.

The switch from an anti-war Party Line into a vehement pro-war Line happened almost overnight. American Communists uniformly followed this reversal of the Moscow Party Line and can be identified thereby.

Examination of the record can only sometimes identify Communists by their behaviour in July of 1941. The mass media is "strangely silent" concerning this mighty reversal and only private documents remain as evidence (as far as I have been able to find out).

America was only "united" behind war when the mass media changed policy in - why, amazing, isn't it, the anti-war elements of the mass media changed to pro-war in July, 1941 (with honorable exceptions like John McCormick's Chicago Tribune).

The Left nowadays is virulently anti-Iraq war, but with the same enthusiasm seen today in those days pursued American involvement in the "war on fascism" (as the Reds put it).

I believe you will find the historical background information in this piece very familiar but I hope other readers may find it useful. The Army-McCarthy hearings era is interesting (I was six years old at the time) in the context of Communist operations in the United States, 1930 to (sadly) the present .

179 posted on 10/24/2006 11:36:39 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

Very interesting. I believe you're on to something. A number of Freepers have already remarked that old Joe Kennedy was sympathetic to Hitler, but none of us remembered that that was in the time of the Hitler-Stalin pact.

As soon as you put the dates together, it makes sense.


180 posted on 10/24/2006 11:46:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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