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1 posted on 10/22/2006 8:32:56 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Esther Ruth
and it is also in the interest of Israel that King Abdullah II and not some radical Muslim organization will call the shots in this Gordian knot

You mean the guy that was on Star Trek?

2 posted on 10/22/2006 8:50:20 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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"We don't think that these plans will be allowed to become reality. At the same time we want to remind everybody that Al-Aksa and Al-Haram al-Sharif [Temple Mount] are purely Islamic, and will remain that way forever. We do not recognize the right of any other religious denomination [to have authority over the area]. For more then 14 centuries this holy compound has belonged to the Muslims and will stay this way."

Worst. Revisionism. Ever.

3 posted on 10/22/2006 9:11:38 PM PDT by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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I am forever amazed that the residents of Israel have not driven the Arab Muslims out of the country, and claimed Jerusalem as their own. How much more can the Muslims hate? Oh well, national suicide is a popular sport in these times.


4 posted on 10/22/2006 9:57:44 PM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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When will we see the third temple built on that site? Isn't that supposed to be one of the signs of the Apocalypse?


5 posted on 10/23/2006 12:13:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Second to none!)
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'Herod's stones' were carved by Herod's master architects, and made up the foundation of the old temple. Thw western wall, called the wailing wall is actually part of this foundation platform.

It had litle to do with the actual temple itself, but because the Muzzies now control the actual rock the temple was built on,(the rock of Abraham) the Jews are resigned to the wall, which is called the wailing wall because of the remorse Jews feel because of the loss of the temple and the rock of Abraham, which was raized to the ground in AD 70 by the Roman Army, and the Jews exiled.

"All these things you are staring at now -- the time will come when not a single stone will be left on another: everything will be destroyed." (Lk.21:6).

Most of this prophacy has certainly been fullfilled, except for the wailing wall. According to prophecy, they are gone forever because God gave them away. Jesus is now the true temple of God and Peter is the actual 'rock' on which God's Church is built. This site is no longer of any importance for Christians, cirtainly not worth fighting over.
In fact, it is excellent proof of the falsehoods of Islam and and the claims of it's wannabe prophet. Muslims should be embarassed that their "dome of the rock" is even there, as the history of the site is well proven without a shadow of doubt.

That Herod's stones make up the foundation of the "dome of the rock" and are there today should tell any sane Muslim (proof again that there are no sane Muslims) that "Muhammads dream" of travelling from Mecca to Jerusalem one night on a flying Donkey to a mosk supposedly built there by magic was nothing but a bad opium overdose.

Plus, since Mohammad invented this blood cult, and at the time he had this dream, he had a huge following of about 5 people including himself, who built it?
None of his followers have ever been to Jerusalem, it was a 2 year round trip, and at this stage Islam didn't really exist, not even in Mohammads mind, since he made it up as he went along in the years to follow.

He hadn't even yet stolen the name "Allah" from the rock worshippng Arabs, the Quraish, Moe's own tribe. While they (and Mohammad too before he decided to create his own cult) had many rock gods, the chief ones were -as the Qur'an reproves- (before later abrogations caused by Rushdie's revealing of Islams multiple god worship,(Surah An Najm -Surah LIII)) Al-lat, 'Uzza,' and Manah, who were styled by the Quraish as daughters of "the god most high".(Al-ilah Ta'ala') "Al-ilah" means "the god", and is what "allah" is contraction (slang) of, and commonly used by the pagans generations before Mohammad came along. Mohammad was, during this flying donkey period, still calling his god "Ar-Rahman". Even that name was stolen from Zaid, a Hanif who was largely a hermit who spent much of his time in a cave, where Mohammad often visited with him and obviously adopted many of his beliefs. After Zaid died, it was in this same cave where Moe received his first beating from Satan who came to him in the form of an angel while he was worshiping rock gods.

Getting back to rocks, Jews still focus on the rock of Abraham, and is why the temple and the boulder on which it stood are so important to them.
When the day recently came for the restoration of Jerusalem in fulfillment of Joel's prophecies, one of the very first Jewish priorities was the repair and restoration of the wailing wall.

After the six-day war in 1967 when Israel finally gained control of this sector of Jerusalem, they pulled down those Palestinian houses and opened up a large square in front of the wall.
In his prophesy about the restoration of Jerusalem, Isaiah foresaw this event: "You counted the houses of Jerusalem, and you pulled down houses to strengthen the wall." (Is.22:10).

This is a prophacy that is still in play. Isaiah's words warned the Jews that their rejoicing at this restoration was untimely, because it was leading to a day of panic and rout (Is.22:1-14), and that during this rout the walls of Jerusalem would be thrown down.

"For this, a day of panic and rout is from the Lord God Almighty. In the valley of Hinnom a wall is thrown down, they are shouting for help on the mountains. Persia takes up his quiver, Aram mounts his horse and Kir fetches out his shield. Your fairest valleys are filled with chariots and the horsemen take up positions at the gates; thus falls the defense of Judah." (Is.22:5-8).

Added support for Isaiah's warnings are clear in the prophecies of disaster which Jeremiah and Ezekiel announced would sweep the nation of Israel as the days of the End unfold. These warnings are not veiled and they are uniquivocal. The defense of Judah is destined to crumble in the last days under the onslaught of Persian invaders.

Jewish ears are still tuned to Moses. Ignoring Jesus Christ, they have attempted to rebuild the old traditions there instead. Scripture has termed this misconstruction, 'plastering the old wall' rather than 'rebuilding' a new one.(In Christ) (Ez.13:10). Fighting over this is worthless, and is mentioned in prophasy. Even though Israel is technically in the right, for some reason, the worls scorns it for defending itself, and in cases anexing land to prevent further attacks. This from Habbukuk:

"The cup from God's right hand comes round to you, and disgrace will overshadow your glory. For the violence done to Lebanon is going to overwhelm you, so will the slaughter of terrified beasts, for you have shed men's blood and ravished the country, the city and all who live in it." (Hab.2:16-17).

In conquering and destroying Lebanon, the Israel brought to an end Christian rule in that country and caused the entire balance of power in the Middle East to shift into the hands of the Persian Shiites of Iran. We can clearly see this conflict about to happen if we look a prophacy.

Most Christians understand that the restoration of Jerusalem is for the purpose of the Jewish meeting with God's chosen king, Jesus Christ. instead, they have in mind of returning to the old covenant and to the old boundaries.

Isaiah warned that such an event would happen: "In the middle you made a reservoir between the two walls for the waters of the old pool." (Is.22:11). Isaiah predicted that the Jews would misconstrue God's purpose in restoring them to Jerusalem.

"Your salvation lay in conversion and tranquility, your strength in complete trust." (Is.30:15).

"Instead of my people rebuilding the wall, these people come and slap on plaster." (Ez.13:10).

There is so much prophasy about these times, it's hard to miss"When I have exhausted my anger against the wall and those who plastered it, I shall say to you: The wall is gone, and so are those who slapped it over with plaster, these prophets of Israel[pharasies, politicians?] who prophesy about Jerusalem and have visions of peace for her when there is no peace." (Ez.13:10-16)

Another wall is also destined to fall in Jerusalem. This is the eastern wall which faces the Mount of Olives. This is the wall housing the sealed Golden Gate, which is the last of the eight gates leading into the Palestinian city of Jerusalem.

Interesting is that the other seven gates were left open by the muslims when they rebuilt the city and its walls centuries ago, but this eighth gate they sealed because they felt that by closing it off they could prevent the Jewish Messiah from coming through it in fulfillment of the Rabbinical traditions.

Neither the muslims nor the Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Both look for someone else.

Jewish tradition taught that the Messiah would come into Jerusalem through the 'Golden Gate' which faced east toward the Mount of Olives. When the muslims learned of this, they sealed the eastern gate to prevent anyone entering at this location. It has remained sealed to the present day. ( What makes Muslims think they can block God's intentions? Unless they believe in a different god of course!)

At the end of time, when Michael the Archangel appears on the Mount of Olives, the sealed golden gate will be opened by God, and it is to this opening that Michael will procede on his journey to Jerusalem, heralding the second coming of Jesus Christ, whose brilliant re-appearance will follow right afterward, just as soon as Michael calls out the command. (1 Thes.4:16). For this reason, when the western wall comes down and the golden gate is made open to the east, it will be a sign to the whole world that the return of Jesus is imminent.

Spiritually, the eighth gate was sealed by God long before the muslims came. This sealing took place in fact when the Jewish blindness was first decreed -- a decree announced by the Apostle Paul. For this reason, the opening of this gate points to the restoration of Jewish sight and to their reunion with the Lord at the end of time.

This last part is still a long ways off of course. Much has to happen before then. But some prophacy seems to be in play now. We know Christ said, the temple will never be rebuilt. Not one stone will remain on another.

"For you have made the town a heap of stones, the fortified city a ruin. The citadel of the proud is a city no longer; it will never be rebuilt." Isaiah 25:2

Pointing to the temple mount and to its buildings, Jesus decreed, I>"You see all these? I tell you solemnly, not a single stone here will be left on another: everything will be destroyed." (Mt.24:2).

6 posted on 10/23/2006 12:15:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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