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To: Elsie

The Constitution is the founding document of this nation. The Declaration of Independence simply broke the colonies away from England. Please point out where, in the Constitution it says we are a Christian nation. For that matter, please point out in the DoI where it says we are a Christian nation.


455 posted on 10/22/2006 6:20:35 AM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Junior

Do I have too?


457 posted on 10/22/2006 7:09:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior
 

To: JHBowden
I think that you are missing the depth of Christian beliefs that were present/needed at our founding.

There is some quote by (one of the Adams?) stating that our form of government is only meant for a Christian, moral people. (I probably mangled this, but its close).

We are living on a reservoir of Christian faith that founded this great nation. Sadly, that reservoir is declining, hopefully it can be turned around.

398 posted on 10/20/2006 11:37:45 PM CDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)

 
 
Shouldn't you be having this conversation  with hripka?
 
 
It was this that got you started posting a doocument from the US Government, that you think makes us NOT a 'Christian' nation.
 
 
BTW, #398 never CLAIMED that we are a 'Christian' Nation, merely that Christian BELIEFS and a Christian MAJORITY. and Christian FAITH were a driving
 (but now declining) force with which to be reckoned.

458 posted on 10/22/2006 7:16:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior
On the contrary, Junior, you are called upon to submit evidence for how the doctrine of evolution can substitute for the equality of man our founders set in the founding documents of America. Our founders based the very concept of this experiment upon their belief in the truth that God created ALL in His Image, and endowed to ALL free will and freedom of expression, in equal measure, and thus the defense of these had its basis in not only Justice but in Reality.

It falls to you to name any other religious belief system which espouses the doctrines of Liberty and Justice for All which are upheld by the Judeo-Christian ethic. Name for us if you can any other way Individual Egalitarian Freedom (democracy itself a political framework for this) can be defended as sacrosanct other than as given by God the Creator, as revealed by His Word.

Without Christianity there could be no America and no Constitution: In the Bible alone we find the standard of the sacredness of ALL human life - each person made in the very image of God the Creator, and life a gift from Him alone; here also exclusively do we find the logical reasoning for the protection of every citizen's privacy and property, and thus the only rational argument for both self-defense and a system of justice that is actually just.

Without belief in an absolute moral law as given by an Absolute Moral Law Giver, the founders of this nation had no cause to rebel against a tyrant. What is tyranny if there is no good and evil? If we humans are mere accidents of Nature's undirected course what is Justice? Likewise without this Absolute Standard - There is a Creator and He has revealed His Purposes in Creation - there is no rationale for even attempting a system of government the likes of which this world had never seen. It was with "a firm reliance on Divine Providence" that the attempt was made, and guided by the principles found solely in the Scriptures this small band of men sought not another earthly throne upon which they themselves would sit as kings, but sought under The Divine Rulership to ensure that all who followed them would enjoy the equal benefits of His Granted Liberty, by a system of justice based upon His Law. These founders did not seek to establish Liberty, but to 1) remove themselves from the oppressor of this their sacred freedom, and 2) to organize a new system of human government that would uphold it, thus establishing justice on the earth - as seen through Scripture alone as already operating from eternity past into eternity future in the Kingdom of Heaven. Tell me another set of men, or another earthly kingdom that has, apart from Christ Jesus, even wanted to attempt such a noble mission.

Pledging their very lives - counting the foundation of this grand experiment worthy of such sacrifice - and what they themselves referred to as their "sacred honor," (regard due not to kings but to God) these believers in a Higher Law prevailed by faith in what was as yet unseen, in hope not found elsewhere.

I repeat, the onus is upon you to explain how America could have been established any other way but in The Way.

474 posted on 10/25/2006 2:44:11 AM PDT by .30Carbine (PS - When you finally lose faith in that last man you will find the faith that does not fail.)
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