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Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S
Reuters ^ | 10/18/06 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:05 PM PDT by wagglebee

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation," No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction list on October 15.

There is a "huge visibility and political empowerment of religion. President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research and scientists everywhere are horrified," he said in an interview.

Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts, he said, including those involving Israel and Iran, "but it's never discussed. I consider it the story of our time, what religion is doing to us. But there are very few people calling a spade a spade."

His "Letter," a blunt 96-page pocket-sized book condensing arguments against belief in quick-fire volleys, appeared on the Times list just ahead of "The God Delusion," by Richard Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University and long-time atheist.

In addition, Harris' "The End of Faith," a 2004 work which prompted his "Letter" as a response to critics, is holding the No. 13 Times spot among nonfiction paperbacks.

Publishers Weekly said the business has seen "a striking number of impassioned critiques of religion -- any religion, but Christianity in particular," a probably inevitable development given "the super-soaking of American politics and culture with religion in recent years."

Paul Kurtz, founder of the Council for Secular Humanism and publisher of Free Inquiry magazine, said, "The American public is really disturbed about the role of religion in U.S. government policy, particularly with the Bush administration and the breakdown of church-state separation, and secondly with the conflict in the Mideast."

They are turning to free thought and secular humanism and publishers have recognized a taste for that, he added.

"I've published 45 books, many critical of religion," Kurtz said. "I think in America we have this notion of tolerance ... it was considered bad taste to criticize religion. But I think now there are profound questions about age-old hatreds."

The Rev. James Halstead, chairman of the Department of Religious Studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says the phenomenon is really "a ripple caused by the book publishing industry."

"These books cause no new thought or moral commitment. The arguments are centuries old," he told Reuters. Some believers, he added, "are no better. Their conception of God, the Divine-Human-World relationship are much too simplistic and materialistic."

Too often, he said, the concept "God" is misused "to legitimate the self and to beat up other people ... to rehash that same old theistic and atheistic arguments is a waste of time, energy and paper."

Dr. Timothy Larsen, professor of theology at Wheaton College in Illinois, says any growth in interest in atheism is a reflection of the strength of religion -- the former being a parasite that feeds off the latter.

That happened late in the 19th century America when an era of intense religious conviction gave rise to voices like famed agnostic Robert Ingersoll, he said.

For Christianity, he said, "It's very important for people of faith to realize how unsettling and threatening their posture and rhetoric and practice can feel to others. So it's an opportunity for the church to look at itself and say 'we have done things ... that make other people uncomfortable.' It is an opportunity for dialogue."

Larsen, author of the soon-to-be-published "Crisis of Doubt," added that in some sense atheism is "a disappointment with God and with the church. Some of these are people we wounded that we should be handling pastorally rather than with aggressive knockdown debate."

These are also probably some of the same people Harris says he's hearing from after his two books.

"Many, many readers feel utterly isolated in their communities," he said. "They are surrounded by cult members, from their point of view, and are unable to disclose their feelings."

"I get a lot of e-mail just expressing incredible relief that they are not alone ... relieved that I'm writing something that couldn't be said," Harris added.


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To: Elsie

"Father forgive us for what we must do,
You forgive us and we'll forgive you,
We'll forgive each other 'till we both turn blue,
Then we'll whistle and go fishing in 'a Heaven."

-- John Prine


161 posted on 10/19/2006 7:39:30 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: ladyinred
Please know that this man is evil. He is not just some atheist, he is advocating shutting up and getting rid completely of Christians in this country. He says we are a threat to the survival of the rest of the human race. I read his previous book, The End Of Faith, and it was the most vicious, frightening, Hitler like book I had ever read.

*************

He's certainly doing the work of the Devil.

162 posted on 10/19/2006 7:40:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Elsie
Today it's called TAXATION!!

That would be funny if it weren't true.

BTW, there is STILL 'slavery' in parts of the world.

And we rightfully condemn it.

163 posted on 10/19/2006 7:44:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: wagglebee

I agree.


164 posted on 10/19/2006 7:46:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: hripka
Tell me why murder is wrong, but don't use God in the explanation.

Over time the people in ancient societies learned that certain actions promote stable, healthy societies, and certain actions don't. Those that do not were later given the label immoral or, when integrated into the religion for enforcement, sin. Since we're all the same species, the same themes popped up in various different disconnected societies, even pre-dating the Bible.

How else is eating pork a sin in the OT and Quran? It was a health rule in that society that got put into the religion. The health aspect is gone now that we know how to properly preserve and cook pork and why it's important, but the moral prohibition still remains for those who believe.

165 posted on 10/19/2006 7:52:23 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Elsie
Maybe this is implied: * 'to my satisfaction.'

Yes it is, thanks.

166 posted on 10/19/2006 7:52:40 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: PrepareToLeave
If you believe what you've just written, you are closer to understanding than you know. You want to know what it means and you feel uneasy inside about it. it's the question that drives you.

I liked The Matrix too.

Actually, I was Christian in my earlier years. It is more an academic question for me now. A satisfactory answer, which may exist, wouldn't mean conversion (reversion?) for me.

167 posted on 10/19/2006 8:02:17 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hripka
Murder is wrong. God said it was wrong.

Wait a minute. What about the murder, rape and genocide ordered by God? Oh yes, it's not immoral if God is ordering it. So it is not an absolute moral.

168 posted on 10/19/2006 8:04:05 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Old_Mil
Indeed. Any rational Jew who seeks an reason behind the sufferings of the Jewish people need look no further than the prophets of his own people.

God creating humans with free will is enough reason for me to be satisfied with.

170 posted on 10/19/2006 8:13:12 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: wagglebee
"Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts.."

And tell me sir what religion is always there....

171 posted on 10/19/2006 8:13:53 AM PDT by Xenophon450 ("Study the past, if you would divine the future." - Confucius)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Whosoever shall say 'thou fool' shall be in danger of hell fire.


172 posted on 10/19/2006 8:14:45 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

Nonsense. Morality is derived from observation and analysis of how to keep the peace within human societies.

174 posted on 10/19/2006 8:15:55 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: wagglebee

Man, these leftists are really trying hard to take over this nation. I don't know why I keep getting amazed at the tactics of these imbeciles. I should be used to it by now. Thank God we have a powerful God and still some good people that will never let that happen.


175 posted on 10/19/2006 8:16:41 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'm pretty sure all of the pagans of old were meat eaters, too busy living to worry about whether they should be eating animals.

I'm reminded of a (probably apocryphal) anecdote about a few good ol' boys in the local Klan hearing word of a "pagan gathering" to be held in the local woods. Figuring that beating up a bunch of pansy granola-crunchers would be an amusing way to pass the time, they headed out to crash the party.

The didn't find any granola-crunchers. They did find a bunch of burly folks with axes and shotguns, who did not appreciate the interruption of their Valhallan rites....

176 posted on 10/19/2006 8:20:28 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: hripka
Murder is wrong. God said it was wrong.

Odd, he didn't seem to think so when he dictated the thirty-first chapter of Numbers....

177 posted on 10/19/2006 8:23:01 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: wagglebee

story where there is none.

religion will always prevail over athiesm. If Christianity fails, it will be Islam that reigns supreme. There will be no post God world


178 posted on 10/19/2006 8:24:35 AM PDT by DontBelieveAugPolls
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To: SoldierDad
Ah but there is one thing you have left out.

People do indeed commit heinous acts upon one another. However in a wider scheme of things Satan is the King of this world. Until God returns in might, Satan will direct the events of this world into the deepest recesses of hell. Why do you think culture is taking it's downward flush? It will only get worse before it gets better. Satan will decieve multitudes, as he has already done. Many people find the idea of Satan coordinating world events to be silly, I tell you the truth, if he is the king of this world as the bible states, God has let him have this power.

179 posted on 10/19/2006 8:30:51 AM PDT by Xenophon450 ("Study the past, if you would divine the future." - Confucius)
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To: Xenophon450

What you say is somewhat true. But, consider this; God, in letting Satan have the power he wields, also provided humans with the ability to choose between His Word and that of Satan's. We have the choice to follow God's ways or Satan's; we have the consciousness to discern evil from good and turn away from that evil. We can fault no one but ourselves if we fail to follow God's path that he has set before us. Not even Satan has the power to force us into his bidding. We must enter into it will full willingness and cooperation, or turn away from him and toward God.


180 posted on 10/19/2006 8:37:23 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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