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What price life?
New Scientist ^ | Tuesday, October 17, 2006

Posted on 10/17/2006 11:00:25 AM PDT by orionblamblam

Charlotte Wyatt, who has serious brain, lung and kidney damage, weighed only 1 pound and measured just 5 inches when she was born three months prematurely on October 14, 2003. The child hit the headlines soon after birth as her parents battled in the courts to force doctors – against their medical judgement – to provide artificial ventilation if her condition worsened.

Her parents won the year-long legal dispute, which cost the taxpayer an estimated £500,000 ($929,000). In addition, the girl’s medical treatment costs around £300 a day, and has totalled an estimated £1.1 million so far.

... Charlotte’s parents have separated and both say they cannot care for her and want foster parents to look after her. Both parents live on state benefits and have been described by hospital sources as infrequent visitors to the hospital that their daughter has never left.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cradletograve; cultureofdeath; nannystate; prolife; schiavo
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To: orionblamblam
What to do?

If the person is responsible for his own care, then the answer is easy. If he has made arrangements through savings or insurance to pay for it, of if he can obtain charity care, turn him back on. If he has not or cannot, do not.

However, if the state is paying for the person's care, the answer is hard. The state can obviously afford to pay, therefore there is no "can't afford it" mechanism. So the state has to step in and decide who lives and who dies, based on the state's criteria.

This is the reason state funding for medical care is so problematic.

21 posted on 10/17/2006 11:39:01 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: orionblamblam

However, in this case, the state has the burden. Therefore I want the state to pay whatever it takes. I do want to give the state the power to take her life, and by extension, my life.


22 posted on 10/17/2006 11:45:09 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock

There is a difference between taking a life and chosing not to extend a life by artificial means.

I have a very strong DNR in my health care directive: if I can no longer recognize my family, palliative care only. That's not taking my life, it is preventing the unnecessary prolongation of my death.

It seems to me that many people are afraid to meet their Maker.


23 posted on 10/17/2006 11:57:27 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

You are free to make whatever directives and provisions you like. I think if somebody wants to spend 100% of their income during their lives and leave just enough money to put themselves down like a dog when they get ill, that is their business.

I just don't want the state calling the shots. If the state foots the bill, the state will call the shots.


24 posted on 10/17/2006 12:01:55 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock

> I want the state to pay whatever it takes.

Whatever it takes... to do *what?*

A note: "I want the state to pay whatever it takes," in any other instance, is a phrase that just *screams* "big government tax'n'spend liberal."


25 posted on 10/17/2006 12:02:37 PM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

> obfuscation-of-the-year candidate.

Really? How do you figure?


26 posted on 10/17/2006 12:03:58 PM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: orionblamblam
A note: "I want the state to pay whatever it takes," in any other instance, is a phrase that just *screams* "big government tax'n'spend liberal."

I agree. That is why I want the state out of the entire business, entirely.

The state should pay absolutely nothing or absolutely everything. Any position in between grants to the state unacceptable power over the right to life of the individual.

27 posted on 10/17/2006 12:05:04 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock
"Therefore I want the state to pay whatever it takes. "

Even if it means your taxes increase by 80%?

carolyn

28 posted on 10/17/2006 12:06:38 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: gridlock

It has nothing to do with the financial aspect. When I am called I am not afraid to go. Dying slowly at great effort instead of smoothly seems to me to be a bad idea.

So long as I can enjoy my family I'll fight..use trial drugs, whatever it takes, but when my "me" is gone, it's time for the rest to follow.


29 posted on 10/17/2006 12:12:43 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

Good for you. Sounds like you have a plan, as well you should.


30 posted on 10/17/2006 12:14:48 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: CDHart
Even if it means your taxes increase by 80%?

No. I would much rather have the state get out of the medical care business altogether, give me a tax cut, and let me make my own provisions.

But if the state is responsible, I want to state to pay whatever it takes. It's pillar-or-post.

31 posted on 10/17/2006 12:16:29 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

Charlotte's web site has a series of MSM pieces painting the
parents in a poor light.

I choose to believe they are fighting for their baby's survival.

Left to the British authorities, this baby would have
never made it this far.


32 posted on 10/17/2006 12:18:46 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: From many - one.
BTW, Algore thinks you have your screen-name backwards.
33 posted on 10/17/2006 12:20:15 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock; From One - Many

I believe there is a FReeper with that version

courtesy ping


34 posted on 10/17/2006 12:23:45 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: orionblamblam

If you can ask the question. It is already answered here.


35 posted on 10/17/2006 9:00:09 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: gridlock
"I would much rather have the state get out of the medical care business altogether,"

As would I. I do medical billing, among other things, and the government has got things so screwed up, you wouldn't believe it.

Carolyn

36 posted on 10/18/2006 4:57:23 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: CDHart

As I always say... name one industry that has been made more efficient by a government takeover.

The government can cut costs only by limiting availabilty. As they become more and more inefficient over the years, they will have to limit availability more and more, to the point where actual care is more the exception than the rule.


37 posted on 10/18/2006 5:52:00 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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