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North Korea wants to talk(says they tested NEUTRON BOMB)
Herald Sun ^ | 10/10/06 | Gerard McManus and agencies

Posted on 10/10/2006 3:37:05 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster
This is turning into a con-game

Sounds more like a veiled attempt at nuclear blackmail to me. The ronery one is now claiming that he'll shoot a nuclear tipped missile at us if we don't talk to him one on one. This is much like a child that desperately needs to be taken to the woodshed for an attitude adjustment. I say we station a couple of carrier battle groups around the peninsula, including a few extra Trident subs for good measure, and see what the little commie has to say then. One on one......

41 posted on 10/10/2006 6:09:50 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: TigerLikesRooster

At this point we can even speculate that Kim bought a Hush-A-Bomb from Boris and Natasha.


42 posted on 10/10/2006 6:11:11 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: carumba; Just A Nobody; jan in Colorado; smoothsailing; jazusamo
A voice crying for Bush to invade North Korea instead of Iraq. He should have left Saddam in power and throttled that sadistic madman Kim. Oh! that darn Bush just blew it so bad when he let Kim get away with this.

...and that wily Murtha was right...think of how close Okinawa is to North Korea! He saw it coming...is Karl Rove working for him, too?!? ;-)

43 posted on 10/10/2006 6:13:33 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: saveliberty

"You read my mind. Just this morning, I was thinking since Clintons offered North Korea and Iran the same deal ($1bn for nuclear reactors) and since they did not observe whether compliance was occurring or not, is it possible that they thought that North Korea and Iran should have nukes?"

I copied these off of another FR NK thread.

1993 : (DISASTEROUS CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TEST BAN TREATY POLICY MAKES NUCLEAR INFORMATION PUBLIC, WOULD RESULT IN PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY - See ENERGY DEPARTMENT "OPENNESS INITIATIVE," HAZEL O'LEARY ) Back in 1993, when the terrors of the Cold War were still fresh, the administration decided that the best way to keep the nuclear arms race from heating up again was to get the world's nations to sign a test-ban treaty. The idea was that even if a country knew how to make a bomb, it couldn't perfect new ones and build up advanced forces without physically testing new designs. So development of new weapons would be frozen, ending the vicious spiral of nuclear move and countermove.

Releasing many of America's nuclear secrets was seen as an essential part of this strategy, since it would signal a new global order in which nuclear know-how was suddenly and irreparably devalued and real security would lie in the collective knowledge that nobody was able to push weaponry beyond the known boundaries.

What had been gold would become dross, and the atom would lose power and prestige. Driven by such logic, the administration made public masses of generalities about nuclear arms, even as specific weapon designs were kept secret.

... Since 1993, officials say, the Energy Department's "openness initiative" has released at least 178 categories of atom secrets. By contrast, the 1980s saw two such actions. The unveilings have included no details of specific weapons, like the W-88, a compact design Chinese spies are suspected of having stolen from the weapons lab at Los Alamos, N.M. But they include a slew of general secrets. ... the disclosures... such things as how atom bombs can be boosted in power, key steps in making hydrogen bombs, the minimum amount (8.8 pounds) of plutonium or uranium fuel needed for an atom bomb and the maximum time it takes an exploding atomic bomb to ignite an H-bomb's hydrogen fuel (100 millionths of a second). No grade-B physicist from any university could figure this stuff. It took decades of experience gained at a cost of more than $400 billion.

The release of the secrets started as a high-stakes bet that openness would lessen, not increase, the world's vulnerability to nuclear arms and war. - "Spying Isn't the Only Way to Learn About Nukes," By WILLIAM J. BROAD, the New York Times, May 30, 1999.




44 posted on 10/10/2006 6:27:18 AM PDT by musicman
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To: TigerLikesRooster
How dare you call our test a "fizzle". It was supposed to be like that. It was a...a... neutron bomb. Yeah, that's the ticket. A neutron bomb.
45 posted on 10/10/2006 6:29:08 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God we trust. All others we monitor.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
``It's for self-defence: the United States wants regime change,'' the source, who requested anonymity, said in Beijing, noting that Mr Bush had labelled North Korea part of an ``axis of evil'' along with Iran and Iraq in 2002.

As if they weren't working on it prior to that.

I noted this morning that CBS News has trotted out a "former defense department official" who says that Bush provoked NK into building a weapon with the "axis of evil" speech. A coordinated media attack?

46 posted on 10/10/2006 6:39:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Re #13 To get help, first they have to surrender unconditionally.:)

From Kim Jong Il's movie collection:


47 posted on 10/10/2006 7:08:20 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: backhoe
What scares me is that North Korea did test what is known as an atomic demolition munition with a yield around 1 kT. Even at 1 kT, you detonate such a bomb in a dense downtown of any major American city and you could kill 80,000 to 100,000 people immediately from the blast and immediate radiation effects and maybe another 100,000 more from delayed radiation sickness effects. Also, because the bomb is detonated at ground level, it will kick up a huge amount of lethally radioactive fallout and the crater left from the explosion will also be lethally radioactive for decades (think the Chernobyl disaster but many times worse).
48 posted on 10/10/2006 7:15:11 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Uh, we'll get back to you...after we've found some way to neuter you.


49 posted on 10/10/2006 7:44:19 AM PDT by quesney
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To: Psalm 73
"But they have learned much through both of these failures - they will get better at it as the months/years go by."

Yeah, I expect they have learned that they have neither the money or technical expertise to compete with the US in a nuclear arms race. It's likely that these tests are all NK has funds for. Nuclear weapons are expensive, especially if you want them to work.
50 posted on 10/10/2006 8:19:39 AM PDT by monday
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To: RayChuang88

People live in Nagasaki, you know.


51 posted on 10/10/2006 8:35:29 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Thermalseeker

I agree. The more time elapses, the more this whole incident stinks like Limberger. My gut tells me he either detonated a sh*tload of TNT to simulate a nuke, or his baby fizzled, (I hope!).
Either way, he rearranged a lot of NK dirt and got all the diplo-dunks knickers in a twist. He's also validated President Bush's assessment of NK as part of the "axis of evil".
Now, Kim throws another tantrum to wring further concessions from the US? A con-game indeed.
If he's not careful, Beijing is going to arrange for him to have an "accident". He's becoming inconvenient.


52 posted on 10/10/2006 8:51:59 AM PDT by 95 Bravo ("Freedom is not free.")
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To: Junior
It is just a much dirtier version of a standard nuclear weapon.

Actually, just the opposite. It is a battlefield tactical weapon with a low yield blast that emits large doses of neutron energy on the target with minimal amounts of long lived fission byproducts. The idea is to kill people (and other living things) but not cause long term radioactivity at the blast site allowing troops to safely enter the area after a few days. If anything, it's a "clean" bomb. ;~(

See Neutron Bomb

53 posted on 10/10/2006 9:10:07 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: TigerLikesRooster
A source close to the regime said North Korea had exploded a neutron bomb

Eyes roll to ceiling.

ROFLMAO.

No way Jose.

54 posted on 10/10/2006 9:11:04 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: TigerLikesRooster

i think it was actually one of the dreaded positronic bombs they set off... much more deadly.


55 posted on 10/10/2006 9:11:32 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Lately, Kim Jong-il has become a dud-maker.:)

I guess we need to watch for a large order of Viagra from PoonTang...er... Pyongyang.

56 posted on 10/10/2006 9:12:57 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Brilliant
Ingenious. Your nuke test doesn't work, so tell them it was a neutron bomb.

"Would you believe, Diet Coke and Mentos?"

57 posted on 10/10/2006 9:15:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: patton
Nagasaki and Hiroshima recovered because the bombs exploded several thousand feet in the air. As such, the vast majority of the deaths in both bombings were caused by the intense heat, blast effects from the pressure wave from the explosion and immediate effect radiation exposure. It also meant there were no significant hazard from the ground around the detonation being dangerously radioactive, so both Japanese cities were able to be rebuilt by the early 1950's.

A nuclear bomb exploded literally at ground level is totally something else, though. When the bomb explodes, it carves out a large blast crater, sending hundreds of tons of lethally radioactive debris into the air that will be deadly to anyone exposed for at least a couple of days. The remaining surface of the blast crater is also lethally radioactive for a long time. Why do you think before they repopulated Enewetak Island they literally had to cover over most of the island in heavy cement to cover the highly-radioactive coral left from the various test explosions there?

58 posted on 10/10/2006 9:20:16 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: patton

Nagasaki was an air burst. The closer the bomb is to the ground, the dirtier it is.


59 posted on 10/10/2006 9:20:43 AM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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To: RayChuang88

Good explanation! Beat me by 17 secs.


60 posted on 10/10/2006 9:22:48 AM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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