'Healey is a racist' -- Patrick campaign jumps the shark in second day

Deval Patrick for Governor | 9/22/06 | ltn72

[misterrob]

The Jews, Irish and WASPs ruled Boston for years. Back in the 50's the blacks started moving into the Blue Hill ave corridor from Roxbury, to Dorchester and to Mattapan. That was made possible when the banks got together with the Boston elite and redlined the older Jewish neighborhoods and gave loans at good rates to black families. The thought being that the Jews would be taken out as a political force. (More racism/anti semitism)

The Irish and Italians had a rivalry but when you look at the battle for Dorchester and Southie it was all about the Irish and the blacks.

As an aside, before the poverty programs put forth by the democrats the Irish and blacks had a pretty similar place in life which explains the rivalry in some ways. Both were looked down upon and discriminated against. Irish were looked upon as being worth less than slaves. But, both had a stong tie in to family and the church.

[Clemenza]

Uh, if you look at the comments that were made by the white trash of Southie during the bussing crisis, ("we don't want those animals in our schools", etc), you would have a different opinion. Of course, being a "townie", you probably have a "defensive" position.

The folks of Southie lived in projects, collected food stamps, and went to PUBLIC schools. When they were asked to share those projects and schools with the blacks, they were LIVID, and it ONLY had to do with race. Let's not pretend otherwise.

[Clemenza]

Example of a "tolerant" resident of Southie:

Trash is trash. Whether certain blacks in Roxbury, or certain whites in South Boston.

[misterrob]

D Street projects and some surrounding areas were sewers until the city cleaned up the projects and the housing boom happened. Old Colony projects held some serious white trash as well. The white people who lived in those areas had a lot more in common with the blacks that they detested than they would ever care to admit.

[Clemenza]

Yep. You are correct.

[misterrob]

Of course to be fair and balanced, my brother worked Boston City PD for 7 years before bailing out and going for the State PD. He said the racism in the black neighborhoods was as bad as anything he saw in Southie or Charlestown.

[ladyjane]

The racists in South Boston and places like that won't.

Why pick on the people from South Boston?

[Clemenza]

Of course. Racism (in the classic sense) is more a reflection of somebody's upbringing than their, uh, race.

I've encountered blacks who hate whites, Chinese who hate blacks, PRs/Dominicans who hate Chinese (except for the food), etc.

[misterrob]

I was citing an example of an area that would not vote for someone based on race. The area has gentrified and become yuppied but the racial tensions still exist.

[ladyjane]

Old Colony projects held some serious white trash as well. The white people who lived in those areas had a lot more in common with the blacks that they detested than they would ever care to admit.

So you're saying 'serious white trash' have a lot in common with blacks.

You really sound more racist than anybody I ever met in Southie.

[maryz]

Outed myself? Maybe you mean dated myself (or dated you?). Anyway, at Gate of Heaven High, the primary antagonist was Eastie. I stand by my comment.

I'm not talking about a carful of kids, either. I'm talking about a law-abiding middle-aged couple.

Do you still rely on the MSM so totally?

[maryz]

I can't imagine they were worse than digs on FR.

[maryz]

The folks in Southie remind of the folks here in Bayonne. Don't think that just because somebody flys an American flag in front of their house and hates "immigrants and animals" that they are "conservative."

I have no idea what you're talking about -- unfortunately, I don't have the bunny picture handy.

That applies to your projects comment too.

[misterrob]

It was the attitude that they were so much better then black people when they themselves were nothing to write home about.

That's okay. If you are from Southie I wouldn't expect anything but denial.

[maryz]

I still don't recall any tension between Southie and Dorchester. Maybe I missed it because about a quarter of Gatey was from Dorchester.

I guess you're way before my time if you recall the Jews being a major political force in Boston.

[misterrob]

If you have read anything I have written you can tell that I grew up in Boston so I know what I am talking about.

Spare me the MSM comments and the denial about some of Southie's less glamorous aspects.

[misterrob]

No, I just know something about the history of Boston. Since I went to BLS I wasn't limited in my exposure to the rest of the city like some folks who's universe was their section of town.

[maryz]

Uh, if you look at the comments that were made by the white trash of Southie during the bussing crisis, ("we don't want those animals in our schools", etc), you would have a different opinion. Of course, being a "townie", you probably have a "defensive" position.

Gee, sounds a lot like an FR immigration or Muslim thread.

You honestly don't see anything wrong with busing? Were you ever affected by it? They should have bused to Wellesley and Dover and Brookline: everyone in Southie could have been racist to the core, and it wouldn't have made a bit of practical difference in the lives of blacks. Southie people weren't the ones in charge of hiring and firing and promotions and college admissions. It was the "liberals" in the suburbs who pushed busing the hardest.

They couldn't have thought of a better way to poison race relations if they'd pondered for years. Well, I guess theyn did.

[Hoodat]

Couldn't you find a picture of those loving Boston mothers throwing bricks at school buses filled with black school children?

[maryz]

People in the projects -- white and black -- tended to make friends with each other. The teenagers, yes, and gangs were and are another story. (Though I understand criminal gangs around here integrated early.)