VANITY - Boycott CITGO

Vanity ^ | 9-20-06 | Vanity

[Chi-townChief]

Been boycotting them for about 5 years now.

[Nothometoday]

These boycotts/polls/do not participate threads get SOOOO old.
It's stupid to bring them up.

[12th_Monkey]

Dont forget Valero and Diamond Shamrock.

[Mike-o-Matic]

That picture about makes me wanna puke. Here's another one for you:


And now for my personal, barely biased commentary on Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter SUCKS! He sucked as a president (no gravitas!!), and he sucks as a "negotiator" and "statesman-wannabe." The only thing good he ever did was swingin' a tool for Habitat for Humanity. However, the rest of his life has been dedicated to actually BEING a tool.

Yep, that's some world class sucking going on, over a long sucking period of time. He sucked back in the 70s, and he STILL sucks! Now, did he suck at being a peanut farmer? I do not know, and cannot state so unequivocally. But what I *can* state is my strong belief that he was literally sucking peanuts the whole time he was farming them. And probably sucking on some nice government subsidies at the same time. Of course, I have no proof of such subsidies, but that wouldn't preclude me from getting a job in the MSM!

Did I mention how much he SUCKS??!?

C'mon now, Mike, don't hold back... tell us how you really feel about him!

[TNCMAXQ]

Heaven forbid the leftwing dirtbags side with America for a change. I havent heard a word of criticism of Chavez. On the contrary, I expect Carter, Clinton and the rest of their evil ilk to be agreeing with him any time now.

[maxwellp]

To tell the truth, I don't notice who I'm buying my gas from. From now on I will, and will not buy from Citgo. I don't care what I have to pay elsewhere.

[lormand]

The "Go Mart" station here in Cedar Park does not show it is Citgo. Only when you get your credit card statement does it show Citgo.

[AIM-54]

Agreed ! Boycott them ! (actually I have been for some time now)

I did notice that they're sponsoring The Special report with Brit Hume on Fox News tonight. Bummer.

[SAJ]

Not so, m'friend. The principal (majority) grade of Venezuelan crude is called, very charitably, Orinoco sour. This is the highest-sulfur common grade on the planet, and is the consistency of undertreated sludge. Not many refineries can handle this stuff, and practically none in Venezuela's prospective largest customer, namely China.

The ChinComs **might** be able to run 200K bbl/day...maybe. They're making noises about building more capacity for the Venezuelan crap, but -- believe it -- this project ranks way the hell down the list, because their first construction priority is to create (somehow) housing for the X hundred million rural peasants who will come into the cities in the next decade or so.

Bottom line? Noise and panegyrics aside, ol' Yugo (no typo) don' got no customers for his sludge what kin do nottin' wit' it. Except us, and to a limited degree the Dutch and English.

Oh, and did I mention that tankers that carry this crap grade of crude have to be specially cleaned, too? Yep. Or they'll corrode right out, lose perhaps 2/3rds of their expected lifetime.

'Export to someone else'? Yah, right. Who? This is every bit as threatening to the crude mkt as Ahmalamadingdong's threat to institute an embargo. Not a chance; he's desparate for cash flow and his economy is already in the dumper...unless you believe that having scientists and doctors work as cabbies to put food on the family table is a sign of a healthy economy.

Only a question of time before the under-30 crowd in Iran start picking up rifles. Yugo likely had better pay some attention to this point in his own nation, too.

[D-fendr]

I understand Hugo will still make money from selling oil, however, I still don't get the answer to my question:

If the Citgo brand is marketed by Citgo Petroleum Corporation, which is owned by Petróleos de Venezuela, why wouldn't boycotting this brand affect the success of Petróleos de Venezuela/Chavez?

Doesn't Hugo make money, independently of his oil sales, from Citgo branded products sold in the U.S.?

Sorry if I'm being dense here, but it seems there is a Citgo retail operation separate from oil sales that is marketed in the U.S. and generates revenue for Chavez.

No?

[thomaswest]

It's not just gasoline. My supplier tells me that Citgo supplies 75% of all the propane. All of us in rural areas without natural gas lines have to buy propane for heating and cooking.

What to do?

[PhiKapMom]

Valero took over Citgo in S. Texas. I usually go to Conoco here and didn't know we even had Citgo until I looked on the net and found one on S. Porter.

[thomaswest]

You do not seem informed. Sulfur is removed. But the BIG problem is vanadium. Jet fuels that the Air Force and commercial jets need has to have almost zero percent vanadium, because it corrodes and weakens jet engines very fast.

The USAF depends on low V fuel, and Venezulean crude is low in Vanadium. V can be removed, but it is expensive, and never 100%. Look up any jet fuel manual to see that it has to be below parts per million.

[therut]

Let them eat oil. They are anti-gun also.

[El Gato]

I haven't been buying CitGo for a good long time. Every since that little p*@@!&^ took over the country.

But picking are getting slim. You get to support AhmaNutJob in Iran, the Saudi financiers of the terrorist training schools in Pakistan and the radical mullahs/imams in the US and Europe, or Mexico, where the Reds are on the march, despite their recent razor thin electoral setback. I think I prefer Mexico, the more jobs they have there, such as in the oil fields and the industry that supports them, the fewer will want to come here.

[El Gato]

Instead of having an unholy relationship with the corporation, he's gas losing money to the Sunoco across the street by only offering repair services.

Well, he's not losing much. The local station owner makes far less per gallon than the oil companies, who make far less than the state and federal government's do on each gallon sold.

Also, many independently owned stations have closed because of EPA regulations, and tanks which leak, but only with the "reformulated" gasoline. The station next door to my parents, which has been there since about 1960, did that a few years ago, and is now only a repair place and (very small) used car lot.

[El Gato]

Not only that but as a commodity, gasoline you buy at a CITGO Station comes from the very same source as gas you buy at an Exxon Station.

That isn't quite what CITGO says on their web site. They refine much of the oil they pump, and they do indeed send it here in tankers, as both oil and refined products.

Occidental Petroleum bought Cities Service in 1982, and CITGO was incorporated as a wholly owned refining, marketing and transportation subsidiary in the spring of the following year. Then, in August, 1983, CITGO was sold to The Southland Corporation to provide an assured supply of gasoline to Southland's 7-Eleven convenience store chain. In September, 1986, Southland sold a 50 percent interest in CITGO to Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA), the national oil company of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. PDVSA acquired the remaining half of CITGO in January, 1990. With a secure and ample supply of crude oil, CITGO quickly became a major force in the energy arena.

That "secure and ample supply" is in Venezuela.

[Senator Goldwater]

I don't usually subscribe to boycotts, but a dime to Citgo is a dime to that fat Castro-wannabe.

None of which will be mine.

[El Gato]

A good friend of ours owns 5 of the local Citgo stations. I won't do that to him. He had his stations long before whacky Chavez came into office and it's not his fault this is happening.

I'm sure he could change brands, just as many Texaco franchises were changed into Shells when Chevron and Texaco merged, although that was driven by anti-trust considerations.

[MaineVoter2002]

You took the words out of my mouth. Carter was by far the WORST president in my lifetime.

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