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[Michigan Gov. Candidate] DeVos says he wants intelligent design taught in science classes
Michigan Live ^ | 20 September 2006 | Kathy Barks Hoffman

Posted on 09/20/2006 12:34:51 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Republican gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos says Michigan's science curriculum should include a discussion about intelligent design.

He says including intelligent design along with evolution would help students discern the facts among different theories.

"I would like to see the ideas of intelligent design — that many scientists are now suggesting is a very viable alternative theory — that that theory and others that would be considered credible would expose our students to more ideas, not less," DeVos told The Associated Press this week during an interview on education.

Intelligent design's proponents hold that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher force rather than evolving from more primitive forms. Some want science teachers to teach that Darwin's theory of evolution is not a fact and has gaps.

However, a federal judge in December barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes. The judge said that intelligent design is religion masquerading as science, and that teaching it alongside evolution violates the separation of church and state. [Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al.]

Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm has said that Michigan schools need to teach the established theory of evolution in science classes and not include intelligent design, but can explore intelligent design in a current events or a comparative religions class.

The State Board of Education last week postponed adopting new science curriculum guidelines until state lawmakers get more time to weigh in on what the state's public schools science curriculum should be and how it should approach the teaching of evolution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Michigan
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To: Beagle8U

Beagle, Considering your opinion of Darwin, your screenname is ironic.


21 posted on 09/20/2006 12:45:37 PM PDT by drubyfive
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To: cornelis
There are some areas where different fields overlap; this doesn't mean the fields are identical. Everybody knows this.

However, ID is not a "field" so there is no overlap.

22 posted on 09/20/2006 12:46:04 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: prov1813man
"So then, the THEORY (religion) of evolution (all faith based since no scientific facts have been unearthed to support it) should be taught in "religion class"?"

Please stop right there before you embarrass yourself.
23 posted on 09/20/2006 12:46:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: jennyp
I think students should be exposed to alternative economic models as well. Equal time for multi-level marketing! "Now, children, please open up your notebooks - we're going to draw some circles..."

my econ teacher explained multi-level marketing in my HS econ class. :)
24 posted on 09/20/2006 12:46:51 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: js1138
Watch the party go down the drain.

With a resounding flush!

25 posted on 09/20/2006 12:47:20 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

"Not a big fan of science I see."

Love science, not a big fan of BS.


26 posted on 09/20/2006 12:48:07 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Teach that God has ear hair. After all, I am made in his image.

Teach that the world is 6,000 years old, and that all that carbon dating stuff is a plot by the devil.

Teach that fossils are planted there by god, as a test of faith.

What a bunch of nutjobs.


27 posted on 09/20/2006 12:48:43 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (ID folks ignore the Scorpion God.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

ID is part of a field of study. It's strength (or not) lies in the operative inference. Works the same for scientific thinking on evolution.


28 posted on 09/20/2006 12:49:44 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Beagle8U

"Love science, not a big fan of BS."

How can you say you love something when you don't even know what it is?


29 posted on 09/20/2006 12:49:57 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Beagle8U

OK, so tell us where the theory of evolution got it wrong, and pray include an alternate theory that is testable and falsifiable.


30 posted on 09/20/2006 12:50:45 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: teenyelliott
I do not want my children to be taught religion in science class. It is MY job as a parent to educate my children in regard to religion.

my biology teacher explained it very well. his opening statement when it came to evolution included something to the effect of "for those of you who are religious and believe in divine creation, that's fine. i don't care what you believe but the state says i have to teach the theory evolution. i really don't care if you believe it or not, but you will learn it and be graded on it."
31 posted on 09/20/2006 12:51:16 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: PatrickHenry

All he proposing is a discussion about ID theory.


As usual the atheists, liberal kooks are up in arms over this, overreacting as usual.


32 posted on 09/20/2006 12:51:37 PM PDT by GregH
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To: drubyfive
"Beagle, Considering your opinion of Darwin, your screenname is ironic."

Well, I think Druby is a perfect fit for you.
33 posted on 09/20/2006 12:52:00 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: jennyp
"Now, children, please open up your notebooks - we're going to draw some circles..."

I think the geometric figure you're looking for is a pyramid :)

34 posted on 09/20/2006 12:52:37 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: cornelis

ID is a part of a sham. I am sorry... there may be different ways to interpret the fossil records, but ID isn't one of them.


35 posted on 09/20/2006 12:54:25 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Beagle8U
Love science, not a big fan of BS.

Good. then you will join us in support of hard science, like physics. You will jump on Young Earthers. You will jump on idiots who say you can't start a bacterial colony with a single organism. You will jump on liars who claim repeatedly that evolution hasn't been observed under replicable laboratory conditions. You will jump on liars who say macro-evolution hasn't been observed, then eat wheat and corn -- crops that have mutated into existence in historical times.

36 posted on 09/20/2006 12:56:46 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: MonroeDNA

"Teach that fossils are planted there by god, as a test of faith. "

And that starlight you see hasn't been traveling for millions of years. God is just playing a huge joke on us about the age of the universe.


37 posted on 09/20/2006 12:58:27 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: GregH
I assume you are okay with it as long as it only discusses the Christian point of view, right?

So what happens when the left decides that our children have to be taught about Islam and Buddhism and all the rest of it? Would you be okay with that, too?

38 posted on 09/20/2006 12:58:30 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"OK, so tell us where the theory of evolution got it wrong, and pray include an alternate theory that is testable and falsifiable."

Strawman, prove evolution, show something that evolved into something else.


39 posted on 09/20/2006 12:59:03 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: GregH

>>As usual the atheists, liberal kooks are up in arms over this, overreacting as usual.<<

And FReepers agreeing with Jenny Grandholm. Never thought I'd see the day!


40 posted on 09/20/2006 1:01:18 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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