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Teaching Math, Singapore Style
new york times ^ | 9/18/06

Posted on 09/18/2006 5:18:06 PM PDT by mathprof

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To: GATOR NAVY

The latest model cash registers have a display. Not only will they tell you what the change is but they will give you a picture - so many $5 bills, so many quarters, so many nickles, dimes, and pennies. Ny 15 year old daughter can blow me out of the water where Algebra and Calculus and Geometry are concerned but basic math? Multiplying or dividing large numbers? Without a calculator I can beat her easily.


61 posted on 09/18/2006 6:57:29 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: KungFuBrad

Thanks for the explanation. I knew only a small percentage of Chinese went on to university, but I guess I never put 2 and 2 together before (English major). : )

This would explain why most of the Chinese applicants to my doctoral program had 800 on the math GRE, but few Americans approached this level. We're not a math based program, so I don't know how American GRE scores stack up in engineering or math doctoral programs; maybe everyone gets 800 in them. I served on an admissions committee and was surprised to see the first 800 score, then flabergasted to see so many as I went through the applications.

On the other hand, we've always discounted Chinese scores just a little until we interview the applicant because you never know who actually took the exam or wrote the essay. You'd be surprised at how alike they are. We don't know if there's out and out cheating, but sometimes you wonder.


62 posted on 09/18/2006 6:57:42 PM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: KungFuBrad
>"So by the time the get to high school and take the "math exam" you are only getting a sample of the top 20 percent of children. It is even worse if you go on to the university level. Only the top students get to go to college in China"

As opposed to the US where ditchdigger mentalist atheletes have full scholarship phds.

Our brightest have been tarnished by the opiate of the inebriates, SPORTS!

63 posted on 09/18/2006 6:58:33 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: VastRWCon
we don't get homework in Algebra but we are encouraged to work problems at home until we understand them".

Teachers like this one that your daughter has give teachers a bad name. As I've posted before on this thread, my daughter is a Math teacher, and she TEACHES. She does not depend on her students' parents to do the work she's paid to do.

TAKE ACTION AND GET INVOLVED! Report this teacher to his/her superior.

64 posted on 09/18/2006 6:59:06 PM PDT by LisaMalia (GO BUCKEYES!)
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To: LisaMalia
"YOU try doing what they do for 40 grand a year."

I taught for 24 years on the university level as a "temporary" faculty member for about that. What's so awful?

65 posted on 09/18/2006 7:01:27 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: G8 Diplomat

"We're last in science too. We're last overall in educational quality, which isn't good. But still, you are right, we are number one in other things....."

I think it just demonstrates the irrelevance of "book larnin" to real life.......


66 posted on 09/18/2006 7:05:30 PM PDT by mo
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To: rawcatslyentist; MikefromOhio; All
Our brightest have been tarnished by the opiate of the inebriates, SPORTS!

You are painfully misinformed. Most universities look for student-athletes who excel in academics as well, when they recruit for sports scholarships.

The money that their football and basketball programs bring in keep the tuition lower as well. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, my friend.

67 posted on 09/18/2006 7:06:05 PM PDT by LisaMalia (GO BUCKEYES!)
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To: Vermonter
We are also notoriously susceptible to educational fads.

Parents have also given up control over their children's educations and their futures to the government pushing those fads.

My daughter attended public school, the best we could find. I sat down with her every evening and made sure I showed her how to do real math, not the rainforest math taught in school. She was able to take AP Calculus in high school and made a near perfect score on the AP Calculus exam.

During the summers I did not allow her to waste time sitting in front of the TV or being a mall rat. We did science and math sessions with local homeschooling groups every summer. She was well prepared when school started each fall and took as many Advanced Placement(AP) classes as she could in high school. I supplemented her reading with the Federalist Papers, taught her the Constitution and the REAL history of the State of Texas and the United States. Do you know that they don't teach the Constitution of the United States in texbooks anymore, even in law school? You might see a photo of it, but it's not in the textbooks, word for word. She knows her rights and can argue a constitutional point as well as any attorney I know. We went to the courthouse one summer and got permission to see courtroom trials and their outcomes. She read classic literature - something not available in most pubilc school libraries these days.

As a result she earned dual credit for high school and 5 college classes - that was the most they would allow any student to take and receive college credit. Even as good as her high school was - the kids spent a lot of class time watching movies that had nothing to do with the course they were in (i.e., The Little Mermaid - in high school?).

It takes a lot of time and effort on the part of the parents, but it is worth it. She scored a perfect score on her ACT, she scored in the top 2% on her SAT and had her choice of colleges. Her study habits were such that she had no problems in college - she made the dean's list 7 out of 8 semesters.

My daughter has already decided that we - she and I - will homeschool her children when that time comes. It takes turning off the TV and spending time with your kids. Reclaim your children! If you spend time with them now, they won't be strangers when they grow up. I wouldn't trade the time I spent with her for anything.

68 posted on 09/18/2006 7:06:11 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: rawcatslyentist; LisaMalia
As opposed to the US where ditchdigger mentalist atheletes have full scholarship phds.

Mind telling us exactly what the hell a "full scholarship phds" is?????? I seriously don't have a clue what the hell you are babbling about in your anti-athlete screed....
69 posted on 09/18/2006 7:07:35 PM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

If you want to generalize from your neice, go ahead. I suppose I could do the same with my daughter who taught herself all her high school courses at home in South America. But my generalization would not be legitimate, as yours isn't. It's not the "truth" in math and science. Try teaching them and see.


70 posted on 09/18/2006 7:09:52 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Vermonter
Keep changing the rules on how teachers are supposed to teach so that creating a meaninful measure of their performance can be put off indefinitely.

Ding - ding - ding. We have a winner, folks.

Now you know why states - California in particular - has a new test for its students every couple years or so.

When you ask how today's students are doing compared to yesteryear, they can say, "Oh, we're using a different test now", allowing them to never ever be compared to previous scores.

Pretty slick, huh?

71 posted on 09/18/2006 7:10:17 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: LisaMalia

I bash the crackpot stuff. I sat through one year of grade school in a split class, and I can't say it was bad, but a single grade per teacher is better. To pretend it's better and then purposely split classes is beyond stupid. Anyone who tells me I'm not enlightened enough to see the inherent advantage in the scheme is going to get Hans Christian Anderson's "The Emperor’s New Suit " jammed down their throat.

72 posted on 09/18/2006 7:11:32 PM PDT by StACase
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To: texgal

THAT IS AN AWESOME STORY - OUTSTANDING.

The only bad part is that the public school gets credit for her while she's attending. But an acceptable price to pay for their service as a daycare center.


73 posted on 09/18/2006 7:12:45 PM PDT by BobL
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To: toru watanabe
But can we blame Carter and Lyndon Johnson. Johnson started the Dept of Education and Carter added even more bureaucracy to the mix. These two are the main reason education started to take a plummet in the US.
74 posted on 09/18/2006 7:17:07 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: MikefromOhio
Hey I would like a full schollarship for 6 yrs, I would even be willing to play a sport of some kind. Unfortunately I am not an athelete. If I was 6'9" I could get a BB ticket, but I am not.

Shaq is a prime example of a waste of educational space. What does playing with spheroidical rubber object have to do with higher learning?

Oh I get it, physical discrimination is OK if you're a giant!

I say make a BB and football team from strictly 4'9" Asian women! I would pay to see that!

Till then I do not view sweaty future and present felons grunting at each other as entertainment.

75 posted on 09/18/2006 7:18:05 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: BobL
I don't care who gets credit as long as the kids get the education they need. The system is experimenting with our children. Problem is that if the experiment fails, our kids don't have the luxury of getting to redo the part that was a failure. They don't have the time to do that. As a parent it is my responsibility to see that my child gets what she needs to be a success.

I refused to allow her to be put in an open class room setting where 2nd, 3rd & 4th grades were all taught in a large open room all at once. We asked to see the grades for those children vs the ones taught in traditional class room settings. The overall grades for the kids in the open classroom were lower than the one grade classrooms. I had to threaten a lawsuit to get her moved out of that setting. If I don't advocate for my child who will?

76 posted on 09/18/2006 7:20:51 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: rawcatslyentist; LisaMalia
Till then I do not view sweaty future and present felons grunting at each other as entertainment.

Since you've already gone to great lengths to show your ignorance of the situation you went on to add this gem on top of it. Care to go for anything else knucklehead? BTW full rides generally are NOT 6 years (I don't have a clue where you got that anyway, nor do I really care, given that you obviously have a built in bias against athletes). At least you spelled most of your words correctly in this post.
77 posted on 09/18/2006 7:21:30 PM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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To: Lizavetta
When you ask how today's students are doing compared to yesteryear, they can say, "Oh, we're using a different test now", allowing them to never ever be compared to previous scores.

Exactly how they were doing it in Vermont before I left

78 posted on 09/18/2006 7:26:18 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: mathprof; DoughtyOne
Article:
Many people trace this unfortunate development to a 1989 report by an influential group, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics.

      I don't.  It goes back at least to the 1950s, when "New Math" was introduced.

DoughtyOne:
I wish the Department of Education had been dismantled five years ago, but then who am I.

      Seems to me we had a successful Presidential candidate a few years back who promised (during the campaign) to do just that ...

      And "No Child Left Behind" is the latest Federal nail in the education coffin - truth in labeling would call it "Most Children Kept Behind."

79 posted on 09/18/2006 7:27:56 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: texgal
Amen, right on. I basically taught my kids years ahead of their age levels, so that any garbage spewn at them from the schools (both private and public) would not affect them. It worked, and was a lot easier than the de-programming approach that other concerned parents try to use.

Like you say, you have to be on top of the issue, and NEVER give the schools a chance to screw with (or 'educate', as they call it) your kids.

For the 17 years that the NCTM was out there screwing over kids with this fuzzy math, I screamed about it to whoever would listen. Most didn't want to listen - as who am I, but some low-life. I am not NEARLY as qualified as the NCTM "experts".

So who was right all along? Well? It was us - and we knew it.

By the way, I'm still a bit suspicious of what the NCTM has in mind - I'd be surprised if they don't still have some hooks to keep the kids dumb. It seems to be their reason for existence.
80 posted on 09/18/2006 7:28:40 PM PDT by BobL
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