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McCain on terror interrogations: We're better
Yahoo news (AP) ^ | September 18, 2006 | Joe Magruder

Posted on 09/17/2006 10:07:04 PM PDT by John Carey

Sen. John McCain held his ground Sunday in his running disagreement with the Bush administration over rules for CIA interrogations of terrorism suspects.

Article Tools Printer friendly E-mail to a friend N.H. RSS feed Available RSS feeds Most e-mailed Save this article powered by Del.icio.us More: Globe City/Region stories | Latest local news | Globe front page | Boston.com Sign up for: Globe Headlines e-mail | Breaking News Alerts Those responsible for Sept. 11 and subsequent terrorism attacks are "the most evil people in the world," he said, "but this issue isn't about them. This issue is about us."

The Navy pilot held captive for five years and tortured by the North Vietnamese said Americans will be captured in future wars, and the U.S. must not set a bad example by allowing harsher interrogation techniques than permitted by the Geneva Conventions.

Speaking to about 70 people at a reception, the Arizona Republican focused on the part of the conventions intended to protect prisoners who do not qualify for the broader protections accorded to prisoners of war -- an Army Special Forces soldier not wearing his uniform, for example, or a CIA officer taken prisoner by Iran.

"That's what we do not want, because Americans would be setting the precedent for changing a treaty that has been untouched by any nation for 57 years," he said.

Both administration officials and the small group of Republicans opposing the administration on the subject said during the weekend they are confident they can reach a compromise.

Though enemies such as al-Qaida flout the Geneva Conventions, as McCain's captors did, McCain said the United States must not. One of the things that sustained Americans in North Vietnamese prisons was the knowledge that "we come from a better nation with better values," McCain said.

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To: John Carey
I wrote this a while ago:

I start to think that the West sometimes is still trapped in their superiority complex. They still think that they're better than other. By allowing themselves to follow the rules, regardless what the other side is doing, the West thinks they're taking a higher ground. To some degree, this is like some one who is patronizing another person. The difference is, in this case, the other guy wants to kill you.

It seems a new Geneva Convention may be needed that would address this kind of situation. However, we know how a decision in an international forum is made. Especially in this case.

I don't want the US losing its legal argument in the long term, but neither do I want to give the terrorists the same rights as captures in conventional war have. If only the SCOTUS established that not all wars are under Geneva Convention...

41 posted on 09/17/2006 11:41:18 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: John Carey
John McCain is reliving his experience. He has yet to realize that Al Queda and their Allies are not as civilized as his North Vietnamese captors. An American pilot captured by these guys would be tortured not for information... (They already know all they need to about Navy aviation) but for pleasure. They really like to beat captives into a mass of bruises and cut them up one appendage at a time (think Texas chain saw massacre). Eyes are easily gouged out prior to beheading. After they play soccer with the head they will put it in a basket and drop it off where it will be found...

John McCain and his supporters along with the Democrats have no idea what the enemies rules of engagement are or how they laugh at us for ours. They know if they are captured we will feed them well and treat their wounds and that eventually we will release them so they can do it again.

No one advocates a symmetric form of captive treatment. But making interrogations non-coercive under all circumstances is naive.
42 posted on 09/18/2006 12:00:24 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: RedEyeJack
McCain is trying to high jack the current presidency.
43 posted on 09/18/2006 12:10:14 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: paudio

Combatants that don't wear uniforms and don't follow any form of civilized code are not covered by the Geneva convention. So the problem isn't really with the Geneva convention. It is the fools who are trying apply the Geneva convention to these unlawful combatants that are not entitled to any such coverage.


44 posted on 09/18/2006 12:23:20 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: John Carey

John McCain is an egocentric, media prostituting, treasonous, lying s.o.b.

Otherwise, he's a great guy.


45 posted on 09/18/2006 12:31:15 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: John Carey

"Both administration officials and the small group of Republicans opposing the administration on the subject said during the weekend they are confident they can reach a compromise. "

Bush do what Bush should have done years ago with this loose cannon demon. He should take him to the woodshed, politically beat the crap out him and tell him Arizona isn't getting didle-squat as long as he continues to act like a pandering traitor.


46 posted on 09/18/2006 12:36:23 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Personally, I think the good people of Arizona should have lynched him a long time ago. He's always had "mental issues" and been a "Manchurian Candidate"--a disaster looking for a place to happen. We all need to call his office, tell him how unhappy we are with him, and that we wouldn't let him tie our shoes let alone elect him President!
47 posted on 09/18/2006 1:09:49 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: John Carey

Sit down and shutup you traitor!


48 posted on 09/18/2006 2:11:21 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: onyx

All I am reading everywhere is the advice from McCain as an
ex-POW is more convincing than that from one like Bush.
It is so frustrating!


49 posted on 09/18/2006 9:10:59 AM PDT by amutr22 (Remember....Friend's Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat!)
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To: amutr22
Indeed. I did see a news clip which makes me think he might back down somewhat.
50 posted on 09/18/2006 9:12:54 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

Really, I haven't seen that. I wish he would. This is just nuts.


51 posted on 09/18/2006 9:14:37 AM PDT by amutr22 (Remember....Friend's Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat!)
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To: amutr22

It was merely a clip from one of his appearances on a Sunday show -- he alluded to a compromise.


52 posted on 09/18/2006 9:17:55 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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