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Liberals, Islamists Unite against Pope
frontpagemag ^ | September 18, 2006 | Andrew Walden

Posted on 09/17/2006 5:36:34 AM PDT by dennisw

In what has suddenly been made into a highly controversial speech, the day after September 11, at Bavaria’s University of Regensberg, Pope Benedict describes Christian belief in a God whose words and acts are bound by reason, truth and the law of non-contradiction. Benedict contrasts this with Islamic belief in a God not bound by anything—including his own words. Benedict further contrasts Christian belief with that of secular humanists who see reason as being completely unbound of God.

In response, both Islamists and secularists have demanded the Pope apologize. He must not. Benedict’s speech is a work of enlightened genius. He has clearly laid out the differences between Christian culture and Islamic culture and the basis of the clash of civilizations we now experience as the War on Terror. His analysis also explains the underlying cause of the alliance between the western left and the Islamofascist right. It should be studied carefully by all who seek to defend western civilization.

Islamist reaction focuses on one sentence in the speech. Reaching back to 1391, Benedict quotes Byzantine Emperor Manuel II: “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Four days later, according to AP: “Pakistan's legislature unanimously condemned Pope Benedict XVI. Lebanon's top Shiite cleric demanded an apology. And in Turkey, the ruling party likened the pontiff to Hitler and Mussolini and accused him of reviving the mentality of the Crusades.

“Across the Islamic world Friday, Benedict's remarks on Islam and jihad in a speech in Germany unleashed a torrent of rage that many fear could burst into violent protests like those that followed publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.”

Reuters quoted other sources expressing fears for the Pope’s safety and even fear of an attack on Vatican City.

The Islamist reaction proves Manuel II’s 600-year-old point. The reaction is not one of anger but a calculated attempt to force the Pope into submission to Islam. Since Islam need not be internally consistent and it is not bound by reason, it’s only objective can be to assert the power of a God who is so transcendent that He is not bound by anything. If man is created in God’s image then by extension Islamic man is not bound by anything. (This explains the predilection on the part of some Muslims to lie.) Islamists are not responding to any ‘offense’ to their non-existent morality. They are asserting the only ‘morality’ they have—the will to power.

“Will to Power” is a key element of Nietzsche ’s philosophy—hence the root of the term, Islamofascist. Moreover the Western “left’ is today guided far more by Nietzsche existentialist thought than by Marxist thought—hence the alliance between the Western “left” and the Islamofascist ‘right’.

Reuters quotes an Indian Muslim leader doing precisely what Manuel II said they would: “Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of New Delhi's historic Jama Masjid, India's largest mosque, extolled Muslims to ‘respond in a manner which forces the Pope to apologize.’” Note they intend to use “force” not reason.

Reuters quotes an unnamed diplomat pointing out the Pope was, “calling a spade a spade”.

The secularist mouthpiece, New York Times,editorializes, “Pope Benedict XVI has insulted Muslims….” This is false. The Pope’s description of the Islamic God as being unbound by reason is not an insult, it is an Islamic article of faith. What Muslims and secularists fear is the Pope’s decision to choose to enter dialogue asserting his belief in Christianity. How dare he not “apologize” for being a Christian? That is the so-called “insult.”

One might “reasonably” ask when will Muslims “apologize” for being Muslim? But they are not bound by reason to the point is lost on them.

Amazingly the Times continues: “Muslim leaders the world over have demanded apologies… For many Muslims, holy war — jihad — is a spiritual struggle, and not a call to violence.” In saying this, the Times implicitly recognizes the Islamists are waging a propaganda jihad against the Pope and by extension against Christianity—and they explicitly endorse and join this jihad. The Times is saying to Islamists, ‘we can join your ‘spiritual’ jihad, but not your violent jihad.

The Times editors are living in a fool’s paradise. The “spiritual” non-violent jihad of propaganda is merely the flip side of the violent jihad. Nowhere is that more clear than in the Islamist reaction to the Pope.

With the Pope scheduled to visit Turkey in November the Islamists are rejecting any apology from Vatican spokespersons and demand to hear from the Pope himself. This would place raging mobs of semi-literate Islamist thugs in the position of forcing the leader of Christendom to bow before them.

In this demand for submission they are joined by the secularist mouthpiece. In its September 16 edition the Times editorializes: “He needs to offer a deep and persuasive apology…” The secularists too seek the Pope’s submission. Like the Islamists, the secularists are driven only by their will to power. While the Islamists represent their demented version of God--unrestrained by reason, the secularists represent their demented version of reason--unrestrained by God. They are united by their self-worshipping world view.

It should be noted that the carefully staged “anger’ from the Islamic world does not condemn Benedict’s characterization of Islam as a religion where God’s “will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality…. (The Islamic) God is not bound even by his own word….” This is not seen as an insult. Islam embraces this description. In offering this description of Islam, Benedict refers to the views of leading modern French Islamist R. Arnaldez as discussed in the writings of Professor Theodore Khoury of Munster.

Likewise the secularists express no dismay at the pope’s characterization of a secularist as: “(A) subject (who) then decides, on the basis of his experiences, what he considers tenable in matters of religion, and the subjective ‘conscience’ becomes the sole arbiter of what is ethical.”

Benedict asserts that without reason, or without God, there can be no modern system of morality. He explains, “In this way…ethics and religion lose their power to create a community and become (instead) a completely personal matter.”

Both Islamist and secularist seek to break God and reason apart. Each claims superiority over the Christian West. They believe absolute moral license makes them powerful. As globalization carries the Western tradition of reason throughout the world, both are in decline.

Where the force of reason is defeated, Islamist and secularist will meet in combat, just as Hitler’s fascists broke their pact with the Soviet Union, invading in June, 1941 after the collapse of the allied forces on the western front.

What the Islamists and the New York Times both fear is having to reply to the Pope’s key point, borrowed from the Byzantine Emperor: “‘Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos (word or reason) is contrary to the nature of God,’.… It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures.”

Their fear of reason can only lead t


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To: NYer

bttt


61 posted on 09/17/2006 9:18:06 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer; Frank Sheed; Pyro7480
Pyro has begun a Pray for the Pope thread. Perhaps we could keep all the prayers together there. All are invited, of course.

But I'm willing to post a daily rosary threads for those who would like to join in with this specific intention. I'll need help keeping it going.

62 posted on 09/17/2006 9:18:53 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Frank Sheed

Excellent points, and a good idea about Our Lady of Fatima. "CA Guy" suggested that Pope Benedict expects to be martyred, and that wouldn't surprise me at all.

This could be the beginning of a program of statements to make the dividing lines absolutely, inarguably clear.


63 posted on 09/17/2006 9:19:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (A beautiful day in North Carolina, and Vlad can crawl.)
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To: rogator

One generally doesn't have a high-level academic discussion with people who feel they have to bring genitalia into every exchange.

ZOT, I hate that!


64 posted on 09/17/2006 9:20:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (A beautiful day in North Carolina, and Vlad can crawl.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I monitor the "dark side" , like many here do.


65 posted on 09/17/2006 9:34:09 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: rogator
To all...

Old GI Saying

When Tank under fire.

Kill the shooters

Then argue about who should have seen them.

Being a cantankerous sort years before 911 I was walking back to my truck which I had parked off the Military Hospital Grounds. There was a fella dressed in all white Muslim Garb towel and all. Of course I had to sit down... after a few min I stuck up a conversation. He was an intelligent fellow (unfortunately as we will probably have to deal with him if he did not clue in). Anyway I asked him a bit about his religion and then said. "Now why is it your fellow Muslims Kill Christians? I have read the Koran a few times and it says kill infidels. Were not infidels... why don't you all go and kill the nonbelievers first...then we can kill each other and show God who really loves him..... he looked at me puzzled I smiled got up and walked on.


I suggest we put down the internecine warfare for a while and deal with matters at hand.


W
66 posted on 09/17/2006 10:11:56 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: dennisw

After witnessing the usual parade of comments that are always on display at this esteemed website on the various recent postings dealing with this important issue, perhaps a better title for the article would have been "Liberals, Islamists, and Anti-Catholic Bigots at FreeRepublic Unite against Pope"


67 posted on 09/17/2006 10:18:41 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Tax-chick; Carolina; Frank Sheed; caguy
"CA Guy" suggested that Pope Benedict expects to be martyred, and that wouldn't surprise me at all.

That would clearly explain his desire to visit Bavaria before setting off on any other trips. The College of Cardinals has shrunk this year. When are the next appointments scheduled? Is it October?

68 posted on 09/17/2006 11:18:14 AM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Thank you.


69 posted on 09/17/2006 12:04:10 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: NYer

That's certainly not restricted to the Middle East.


70 posted on 09/17/2006 12:08:47 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: onevoter

The media ...now there's a criminal enterprise. So morally depleted they are, and then twisting the Pope's intent to stir up riot and murder... and then blaming it on the Pope. It's not the first time they've done this. People get killed because of them. I want them cut down to size.


71 posted on 09/17/2006 12:12:54 PM PDT by virgil
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To: dennisw

Papal Address at University of Regensburg

"Three Stages in the Program of De-Hellenization"

http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94748


72 posted on 09/17/2006 12:21:00 PM PDT by I_dmc
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To: NYer; A CA Guy; Frank Sheed
That would clearly explain his desire to visit Bavaria before setting off on any other trips.

Outstanding point! I don't know when the next appointments to the Cardinalate are scheduled.

73 posted on 09/17/2006 1:26:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A beautiful day in North Carolina, and Vlad can crawl.)
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To: onevoter

Pope B16, my kind of pope. True I am part Polish, but Pope B16 is in the right place at the right moment and time.


74 posted on 09/17/2006 1:59:26 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: dennisw

Sounds like he has his left and right confused; the Islamists are most definitely left-wing.


75 posted on 09/17/2006 3:09:54 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Northern Yankee; NYer; SJackson
Wow, outstanding article, thanks much.

Great point here:

The Islamist reaction proves Manuel II’s 600-year-old point. The reaction is not one of anger but a calculated attempt to force the Pope into submission to Islam. Since Islam need not be internally consistent and it is not bound by reason, it’s only objective can be to assert the power of a God who is so transcendent that He is not bound by anything. If man is created in God’s image then by extension Islamic man is not bound by anything. (This explains the predilection on the part of some Muslims to lie.) Islamists are not responding to any ‘offense’ to their non-existent morality. They are asserting the only ‘morality’ they have—the will to power.

“Will to Power” is a key element of Nietzsche ’s philosophy—hence the root of the term, Islamofascist. Moreover the Western “left’ is today guided far more by Nietzsche existentialist thought than by Marxist thought—hence the alliance between the Western “left” and the Islamofascist ‘right’.


76 posted on 09/17/2006 3:20:58 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Old Student
I do believe that Satan is the father of Islam, even if there are nice Muslims out there. Satan hates the True God, the God of the Jews and Christians. And Satan is clever. Whether we debate if Muslims act like this because they are practicing religion or perverting it, the fact is the end result is by Satan's design.

Islam is a truly evil cult, a real gutter faith.
77 posted on 09/17/2006 3:45:39 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: NYer; Tax-chick; Carolina; Frank Sheed; caguy

Tax-chick's observation is perhaps true. One is hard pressed to understand what revelations through insight or prayer that the Pope is privy to in his inner mind. The Nunciatures are perhaps the best collection of intelligence information anywhere in the world as they provide unfiltered feedback from host countries. The Pope must know the overall lay of the land. I think it might be high time that the lines indeed be clearly drawn as T-c suggests.

It is informative for me that our Pastor remarked on the choices of Steve Centanni (who converted to Islam) and of a priest kidnapped by Al Quaeda in Rome who was tortured brutally for weeks before being released (without converting to Islam). The Gospel today asks all of us, "Who do you say that I am?" The single answer to this paramount question governs out entire life here on earth. He is either the Christ, the Son of the Living God or a shaman or holy man of some renown but of no real import to my life.

May the Holy Spirit guide the Holy Father!

F


78 posted on 09/17/2006 4:05:50 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Conservative til I die
"I do believe that Satan is the father of Islam, even if there are nice Muslims out there. Satan hates the True God, the God of the Jews and Christians. And Satan is clever. Whether we debate if Muslims act like this because they are practicing religion or perverting it, the fact is the end result is by Satan's design.

Islam is a truly evil cult, a real gutter faith."

I disagree, I think. I believe that Islam was hijacked shortly after Mo died, and quite possibly re-hijacked in the 10th century or so. Look at the Shia/Sunni split, which happened rather soon after his death, and at the changes in acceptable inquiry in the late 900's... (this is assuming I'm remembering the dates correctly, of course.) I'd have to go dig out some textbooks and look into it again. That class was a while ago, like before 9/11.

All that is not to say that Satan hasn't got his hands on quite a few of the current leaders, though.
79 posted on 09/17/2006 4:25:31 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Frank Sheed
I mentioned the reporters to my 5th grade class last week, as an illustration of why we have to learn and commit to and practice our Faith. (I was not aware of the kidnapped priest, or I'd have brought up the difference, as well!)

The single answer to this paramount question governs our entire life here on earth. He is either the Christ, the Son of the Living God or a shaman or holy man of some renown but of no real import to my life.

Excellent summary.

80 posted on 09/17/2006 4:53:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A beautiful day in North Carolina, and Vlad can crawl.)
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