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Victor Davis Hanson: Those Saudi Students. It’s not irrational to be wary of this deal
NRO ^ | September 15, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/15/2006 4:42:32 AM PDT by Tolik

On the fifth-year anniversary of September 11, 15,000 Saudi Arabian students are supposedly on their way to the United States. The State Department, and cash-hungry universities eager for premium out-of-state tuition payments, are understandably delighted at the return of such openness.

The idea in theory is commendable:  Five years after 15 Saudi Arabians, some here on student and flight-school visas, blew up four planes and killed 3,000 Americans, we apparently have let bygones be bygones, and are looking to reestablish old ties.

Of course, we are confident that the Saudi monarchy will screen its own subjects. It knows well that if another Saudi helps to blow up 3,000 Americans, the ensuing Götterdämmerung might be as unpredictable as it would be terrible for them. And our immigration service promises it can now track such visitors far better than it can the 11 million illegal aliens inside the United States or the recent Egyptian students who failed to show up at Montana State University.

Most importantly, as a free and progressive people we believe that such exposure to American tolerance and liberal values will serve as an important bridge to the Arab Muslim world. Surely these Americanized students will return to the kingdom and spread the knowledge that United States is a force for good in the world and is sorely misunderstood.

More realistically, it is never smart to antagonize a kingdom that sits atop a quarter of the world’s known oil reserves — and in the past has enforced petroleum boycotts against the United States.

Nevertheless, for a variety of reasons, allowing 15,000 young (mostly male?) Saudi students into the United States is a bad idea — and these reasons have nothing to do with the hysterical and irrational fear present in the reaction to the Dubai port deal, when an internationalized company from a much more open society sought to oversee American ship facilities.

First, the verdict is out on whether experience with, and even long residence in, the United States (or for that matter, in Europe either) mitigates or enhances Islamic extremism. Considering the profile of the 9/11 hijackers and the Hamas suicide bombers, the number of Iranian mullahs and Hezbollah who have family members in the United States, and the recent public demonstrations in Michigan on behalf of Hezbollah, it is by no means clear that resentment is not the more common reaction for those who are relatively educated, not poor, and have some exposure to America.

That is, for many traditional Muslims, the openness, candor, and occasional randiness of American society create conflicting passions. Hand-in-glove with a visitor’s curiosity and desire to dress, talk, and read freely seems to arise a commensurate disdain for what is often termed “Western decadence.”

And even more disturbing, such conflicting passions of desire and shame at that desire, when coupled with an apologetic academic culture — steeped in multiculturalism and ready to offer America’s foreign critics ample ammunition for their displeasure — often result in a strange sort of irrational anger.

For some 20 years I taught a number of foreign students from the Middle East in the United States, and sometimes noticed a disturbing tendency. Over their four- or five-year tenure, many exhibited a predictable evolution in their thoughts about their newfound freedoms — especially as the time for graduation and for reckoning with a return home approached.

Initial exuberance at America’s openness often was followed with deep uncertainty whether our rejection of traditional repression was healthy — especially in the permissive campus landscape of risqué female fashion, open homosexuality, easy mixing of the races and religions, atheism, sexual promiscuity, and drug use.

We are not usually talking about the transition from a cosmopolitan Beirut to a somewhat comparable Salt Lake City, but from the most repressive conditions in the Arab world to the most liberal in the West — from the eighth-century code of behavior of Saudi Arabia to the 22nd or 23rd century postmodern world at a Berkeley or a Madison.

Often coupled with such abhorrence at our license is awe at America’s wealth and technology. From that volatile mixture a predictable confusion often emerges:  Why is America so much richer and stronger than the Arab world, when it is clearly more decadent and godless?  

This questioning is often answered by a variety of conspiratorial exegeses, laced with pop history and mythology that are the products of the media, mosques, and madrassas back home. Surely colonialism, or Israel, or the CIA, or American-backed dictators, or secret agreements, or oil companies best explain the current mess in Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, or Amman, those cities that were once the proud towers of the ancient caliphate.

But there is also a second reason to be concerned about these incoming students, one that likewise involves innate human nature, and especially the American sense of self. During the Cold War, we were not at war with the people of Eastern Europe, but we still did not readily admit into the United States very many students from Albania, Bulgaria, or Poland. It wasn’t just that we worried whether some were informants or worse, but also that, in such an ideological struggle, it was important to remind the masses in those countries of the wages of their repressive governments.

In the current war, such thinking would translate into something like the following: The popularity of bin Laden in the Arab Street, the continual hatred expressed for America and Jews in the state-controlled Middle East media, and the constant bombings and killings of Westerners by Muslims that are as often rationalized as condemned by Arab voices — all this surely must have consequences, if only to show that Americans sometimes are as unpredictably emotional as we are usually coldly rational.

Thus for now it is perhaps better that travel from the Arab Middle East is made problematic — if only to remind everyone concerned of the consequences of their hatred that still emanates from the Middle East. Many Americans are not convinced that our magnanimity with the Islamic world wins praise as liberality, rather than earning contempt for our perceived weakness. And if we must let in thousands of students from the Middle East, why not the children of those kindred brave souls fighting for democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The problem of the United States, despite disavowals from our own State Department and universities, is not that we are seen as too cold-hearted, too chauvinistic, or too legalistic, but rather just the opposite:  We have lost a great deal of our sense of national self. We don’t worry too much about our borders. We seem perversely to enjoy constant criticism. And from time to time we accept the blows of our enemies as the inevitable wage of our regrettable conduct.

So, yes, there is the utopian logic of allowing 15,000 Saudis as goodwill ambassadors into America. But don’t expect millions of us to like it — and don’t expect us to worry whether our anger and concern seem illiberal.

For my own part, in this brief life I already have seen too much mention of the wicked al-Ghamdi tribe of Saudi Arabia:  young Ahmad, who crashed Flight 175 into the south tower of the World Trade Center; Hamza, who was on board with young Ahmad; and yet another equally earnest young Ghamdi, who in December 2004 blew up 18 Americans in Mosul. And who knows, maybe even Saeed Ghamdi was part of the murderous clan, the killer who helped overpower Todd Beamer and company in crashing Flight 93 into the Pennsylvania countryside. And I remember right after September 11 the feigned surprise of Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, the wife of the Saudi ambassador, when it was disclosed that one of her “charitable” contributions had in fact wound up helping two of the hijackers of Flight 77, Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. 

I have no doubt that the vast, vast majority of these students are wonderful people, but, given the one-eyed-Jack nature of the Saudi government, and the past utter ineptness of our own immigration service, I also have no assurance whatsoever that one more surviving Ghamdi or another Alhazmi is not among them — and just one in this war has been quite enough already.

 — Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the author, most recently, of A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
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1 posted on 09/15/2006 4:42:34 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

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2 posted on 09/15/2006 4:43:19 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

I don't think we need to allow 15,000 Saudi students to come to our universities. We shouldn't be allowing any immigration- even temporary- from any of these Arab dictatorships, kingdoms and mullocracies...

If we had any choice, we shouldn't be buying their oil either, but we are unable to support our own energy needs.

I suspect the oil problem influences our behavior re: the immigration issue.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 4:54:57 AM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: Tolik

This should be shouted through the airwaves. Where are all the weenies who were scared of Dubai Ports Corporation handling container ships?


4 posted on 09/15/2006 4:57:52 AM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: maica

I don't agree with him on this, and he should consider returning to the tradition of "in loco parentis" on college campuses limiting decadence to benefit both American and foreign students.


5 posted on 09/15/2006 5:18:22 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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US schools compete for Saudi students -not yet able do effective background checks on applicants

6 posted on 09/15/2006 5:20:04 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: Tolik

They are letting our enemies take over our nation - WITHOUT A FIGHT1


7 posted on 09/15/2006 5:24:02 AM PDT by RoadTest (- - - for without victory there is no survival. -Winston Churchill)
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To: Tolik; All

No problem. We can count on McCain, Warner and Graham to pass a law protecting us from these people.


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8 posted on 09/15/2006 5:30:56 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: RobFromGa
we are unable to support our own energy needs.

No,we're not.

Unwilling, yes.

Unable? No.

9 posted on 09/15/2006 5:34:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?)
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To: Jim Noble

I could have been clearer...

we are unable to support our own energy needs AT THE PRESENT TIME.


10 posted on 09/15/2006 5:35:59 AM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: Tolik
They can get here by going through an open society, just as easily as from Saudi Arabia. Maybe more so.

Yet of the Saudi students: But don’t expect millions of us to like it — and don’t expect us to worry whether our anger and concern seem illiberal.

And that has... nothing to do with the hysterical and irrational fear present in the reaction to the Dubai port deal

When you don't like it that's apparently illiberal, when the other guy doesn't like it that's hysterical and irrational.

Sorry, no sale. The Saudis will make damn sure those boys don't do anything that results in an American invasion and Ceegar Guy rolling up to the Meccan meteorite with a winch and a glint in his good eye. The open society guys (Dubai ports deal) are too busy making money (nttawwt) to do any serious quality control on the people they send here.

11 posted on 09/15/2006 5:51:22 AM PDT by Graymatter (TV-free and clean for 3 years, 2 months.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Not sure what part of the article you disagree with?
Of course more constraint of over-the-top behavior on university campi would be desirable. That unrestrained sexual acting out has been practically forced on our kids is a problem that I pray will be resolved without the pendulum swinging all the way to the hajib and burka.

I live a few blocks from a 150 year old Jesuit College that has been co-ed for 35 years. Professors who speak out about the girls' behavior are shunned.
The girls dress very provocatively and act assertively. "Hooking-up" sex is ordinary. The boys look wary and diminished in their world of such female dominance.


12 posted on 09/15/2006 5:56:04 AM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: kabar; MNJohnnie

Ping


13 posted on 09/15/2006 6:01:33 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: aculeus

You left out my own senator, the wonderful (full sarcasm) Susan Collins.


14 posted on 09/15/2006 6:02:02 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Tolik
I admire VDH, but he is wrong on this one. We need more Saudis to be exposed to Western values and ideas. When the Saudi economy went into the tank in the 90s and per capita income dropped from around 28K to 6K, the Saudis started constructing more domestic universities, which really taught nothing except religion. This further isolates the Saudis from the rest of the world.

Many of the current Saudi leaders have been educated in Europe and the US. It is a good thing. Also, the reality is that the worldly Saudis live two distinct lives, one in the Kingdom and the other while living in the West. The only way we are going to influence what is going on in the Kingdom is to encourage more contact with the West.

15 posted on 09/15/2006 6:11:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Tolik
And if we must let in thousands of students from the Middle East, why not the children of those kindred brave souls fighting for democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan?

This incisive question has no legitimate answer.

16 posted on 09/15/2006 6:16:11 AM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! --- VDH)
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To: Tolik

As long as the DimoRats keep us dependant on Arab oil, our national security will be in much jeopardy.


17 posted on 09/15/2006 6:37:58 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: Tolik

I want this guy for President and I want it NOW!


18 posted on 09/15/2006 6:47:51 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Do you know what a bigot is? Someone winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: metesky
You left out my own senator, the wonderful (full sarcasm) Susan Collins.

Deepest sympathy.

19 posted on 09/15/2006 6:57:47 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Tolik

Bump.


20 posted on 09/15/2006 8:08:15 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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