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To: Coyoteman; Suzy Quzy

This link represents what is, IMO, a common evolutionary tactic. Post volumes of low-quality arguments and pretend that they are overwhelming evidence.

Take the gorilla-chimp/human 'chromosome fusion' argument as an example. One problem that I've never seen answered is how scientists explain away the 5' to 3' problem of joining 2 chromosomes head-to-head? It would seem to be critical to the claim, yet I have never seen that addressed.

Whaddaya think, Mr. Beta?


676 posted on 09/14/2006 5:48:07 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan
Take the gorilla-chimp/human 'chromosome fusion' argument as an example. One problem that I've never seen answered is how scientists explain away the 5' to 3' problem of joining 2 chromosomes head-to-head? It would seem to be critical to the claim, yet I have never seen that addressed.

Whaddaya think, Mr. Beta?

How should I know? I never studied genetics. I'm sure somebody else can help you out there.

686 posted on 09/14/2006 5:56:28 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: GourmetDan; Coyoteman; Suzy Quzy
Take the gorilla-chimp/human 'chromosome fusion' argument as an example. One problem that I've never seen answered is how scientists explain away the 5' to 3' problem of joining 2 chromosomes head-to-head? It would seem to be critical to the claim, yet I have never seen that addressed.

Ah, yes, the old "if I the creationist am totally ignorant of the research on this topic, scientists must not have a good answer for it!" technique.

Son, I regret to inform you, but chromosome fusions have been found to have occurred within captive populations of of domestic animals, and been traced back to the animal in which the fusion first originated.

So despite your hand-waving attempts to try to mislead readers into thinking that maybe this kind of thing might be Just Not Possible, it has been OBSERVED occurring and the individual with the fusion has then gone on to produce viable offspring. But then if you had bothered to go EDUCATE yourself on this topic before you attempted to try to sow unfounded doubt about it in a sick attempt to attack and undermine anything, no matter how well established, which you feel you can't deal with on an actua examination of the evidence, you'd know that already and wouldn't have just made a fool of yourself again and exposed your complete ignorance and incompetence again.

Score another one for the scientists, and score a big fat zero for the creationist who just fell on his ignorant face again while trying to pretend that he wasn't just frantically making it up as he went along because he came unarmed to a battle of wits.

Creationists are *so* funny when they attempt to discuss topics that require actual knowledge.

692 posted on 09/14/2006 6:04:03 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: GourmetDan
One problem that I've never seen answered is how scientists explain away the 5' to 3' problem of joining 2 chromosomes head-to-head?

What are you talking about, joining head-to-head? You are aware that chromosomes have two strands of DNA, right? Like this:

5'--------------3'
3'--------------5'
I think that what you are suggesting is that this happened:

5'--------------3'3'----------------5'
3'--------------5'5'----------------3'
Instead of the proper:

5'--------------3'5'----------------3'
3'--------------5'3'----------------5'
If that is what you are suggesting happened, I am curious as to why you think that. It wont happen that way. Why do you think that the first chromosome wouldn't just twist a very little so it would match up and fuse? That is exactly how they form chiasmata.

758 posted on 09/14/2006 7:16:22 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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