Lauer had a trick of using the pen held like a cigarette to look like a pointing finger. The phony pointing finger looked weak and puny, so did stupid follow-up questions. Matt was clearly flummoxed because he unable to drive the President to his knees begging for forgiveness and promising to change his ways.
Lauer came off stupid. When Lauer mentioned Amnesty International as the INTERNATIONAL EXPERT, Bush castrated Lauer.