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To: metmom; Dimensio; ThinkDifferent; balrog666
Snowflakes are just evidence that water molecules behave according to the laws of chemistry and physics.

So does evolution, and that increases order and complexity as well.

And the last time I checked, the "laws of chemistry and physics" were natural processes.

They are not evidence that order and complexity can arise with no intelligence as its source.

Because metmom stamps her feet and says so!!

Pssst... Snowflakes are more ordered and complex than the water vapor from which they are formed via natural processes. Therefore natural processes can indeed increase order and complexity all by their lonesomes. QED.

The only way you can use *nature* to demonstrate that order and complexity can arise without intelligence behind it, is to start with the premise that there was no intelligence behind the formation of the universe and since that's what is trying to be determined, you cannot use it to prove itself.

Do you get dizzy when you frantically spin that much?

Moving the goalposts doesn't make you look very honest, either, especially when you do it that clumsily.

60 posted on 09/11/2006 5:21:53 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon

And you know that these *natural processes* weren't desgined and put into motion by intelligence... how?


61 posted on 09/11/2006 5:24:31 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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