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To: Ichneumon
Are you not starting with the assumption, however, that the universe came into being without intelligence? Things behaving according to the laws that govern them are not evidence that order and complexity can arise without intelligence.

If someone creates a machine that performs a certain function and it does that faithfully, the machine was still created by intelligence so, not only is the machine a result of intelligence but the product it produces is also, even though the intelligent source was not directly active in the creation of each and every product.

57 posted on 09/11/2006 5:16:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Are you not starting with the assumption, however, that the universe came into being without intelligence?

No I'm not.

I have demonstrated that whether it was or not, your claims about what natural processes can or can not do are grossly false.

Things behaving according to the laws that govern them are not evidence that order and complexity can arise without intelligence.

Sure they are.

If someone creates a machine that performs a certain function and it does that faithfully, the machine was still created by intelligence so, not only is the machine a result of intelligence but the product it produces is also, even though the intelligent source was not directly active in the creation of each and every product.

Okey dokey, as soon as you can demonstrate that the laws of physics were actually cranked out on an assembly line, you might have some basis for your currently unfounded conclusions. As it is, you're engaging in a classic example of circular reasoning.

In the meantime, your attempts to claim that natural processes cannot increase order or complexity are still gross falsehoods. They can and do. Your claims are as vapid and incorrect as claiming that a computer can't sort a list of numbers, because, gosh, computers were built by people. Nice non sequitur.

62 posted on 09/11/2006 5:26:41 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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