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Mini Guns Put ATF On Alert
WCBS-TV (New York) ^ | 9/6/06 | Ti-Hua Chang

Posted on 09/08/2006 9:34:34 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Federal ATF Agents issued an officer safety advisory on what is called the world’s smallest gun after a CBS 2 inquiry. The Alert has been issued both in the New York and nationally to all Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives criminal investigators and will be passed on to other federal agencies.

ATF has confiscated thousands of disguised or miniature guns -- from flashlights that shoot a .25 caliber bullet to pen guns.

The latest miniature gun that is alarming ATF agents is the SwissMiniGun. It’s extremely small -- just over two inches long. It comes with tiny bullets designed especially for the weapon that can penetrate skin. Even in its holster, this gun is so small that law enforcement experts say it could pass for a keychain ornament.

According to William McMahon, special agent in charge of the New York ATF office, that makes it the perfect stealth weapon for a variety of criminals.

“A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

As its name indicates, the SwissMiniGun is manufactured in Switzerland. CBS 2 News reached the company's CEO, Paul Erard, by phone.

He said the gun is a miniature, detailed copy of the Colt Python revolver. He sells it for roughly $5,000 to gun collectors (though he added that most of his guns are encrusted with diamonds and gold, so they can cost $30,000).

He said he has sold 50 miniguns, all to only one area of the world. “Contacts in the Middle East asked me to make a miniature of Colt Python," said Erard.

Erard refused to say which Middle-Eastern countries. His reaction when asked if terrorists might use it? At first he laughed and said, “ Absolutely ridiculous.”

When CBS 2 got him to admit his gun shoots bullets using gunpowder, he then changed his tone. “Of course I am concerned as manufacturers of air guns are concerned. This is not a toy,” said Erard.

A national police organization notes that unlike air guns, SwissMiniGuns can be concealed and shoot with gunpowder bullets that travel at 400-plus feet per second. These bullets could be aimed at the face.

Joe Occhipinti of the National Police Defense Foundation was alarmed by the SwissMiniGun’s potential uses, noting, “In a routine stop, a guy could certainly make a joke, and 'Say see my little gun here?' point at the officer and shoot. It looks like a key chain and [an officer’s] guard would be down."

Occhipinti added, "I could easily see a passenger attempting to go to an airport take out a key chain put in with coins in the little basket. No one would detect that."

SwissMiniGuns cannot be legally imported into the United States because the barrel is less than three inches long -- in this case, a lot less.

No SwissMiniGuns have been recovered here yet, but McMahon admits, “If it came into the United States, it would be a concern.”

This alert is the result of a single officer in Maryland seeing the gun on a Web site and alerting other officers, including the National Police Defense Foundation.

CBS 2 News learned of the weapon and passed word on to the ATF. It is an example of officers using the Internet the way some terrorists do but in this case, to combat them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; bs; swissminigun
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To: kiriath_jearim
The latest miniature gun that is alarming ATF agents is the SwissMiniGun.

Who has the pic of the Waco thug with the MP5 and ski mask? What BS.

21 posted on 09/08/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)
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To: oncebitten

I prefer explosive pineapples. Or am I remembering a video game?


22 posted on 09/08/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: kiriath_jearim

When cockroaches are armed...


23 posted on 09/08/2006 9:56:13 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The BATFE has just proved what I have always known they are idiots and are truly shamful.


24 posted on 09/08/2006 9:57:48 AM PDT by therut
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To: kiriath_jearim; sit-rep; Joe Brower

Useless for anything except killing an invading soldier in order to get hold of a bigger gun.

In other words, may not be a bad thing to have around someday.


25 posted on 09/08/2006 9:58:02 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: patton

Damn, ya beat me!


26 posted on 09/08/2006 9:58:34 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: 1rudeboy
I posted a thread on this gun earlier this summer, but I can no longer find it.

Swiss Miss ?


BUMP

27 posted on 09/08/2006 9:59:19 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Useless for anything except killing an invading soldier in order to get hold of a bigger gun.

I've heard similar arguments for a 9 mm.

28 posted on 09/08/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Dems - Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet few of you have heart enough to join them.)
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To: MediaMole

more kinetic energy in a jurry rigged ball point pen.


29 posted on 09/08/2006 10:02:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Larry Lucido
I can imagine situations where putting an eye out would work.

But, insteat of a $5000.00 toy, I would use a 2-cent pencil.

30 posted on 09/08/2006 10:04:33 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
LOL... what a bunch of retards. What we really need to worry about are armed bears.


31 posted on 09/08/2006 10:05:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Quam terribilis est haec hora)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Terrorists open fire...."Ow! Stop that! Ow! Hey, that hurts!"


32 posted on 09/08/2006 10:06:30 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: Joe Brower

*ping*


33 posted on 09/08/2006 10:08:52 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: MediaMole; July 4th
The trigger is the little tab that sticks down from the front of the trigger guard.


34 posted on 09/08/2006 10:16:28 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: KarlInOhio; patton
This may be what I had in mind - actually a single shot .45.

FP-45 Liberator


35 posted on 09/08/2006 10:16:47 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: kiriath_jearim
Good grief, has everyone at ATF gone mad? That miniature key chain novelty firing a teensy weensy little bullet at 400 feet per second is no doubt less powerful than a Daisy spring powered BB pistol firing a 6 grain BB at 240 fps.

A hit by a Daisy BB pistol will just barely break human skin at point blank range. I know because I was hit in the forehead by one when I was a kid. Unless the tiny bullet from that miniature revolver were to strike an eyeball it wouldn't be as dangerous to a human being as a well handled wooden toothpick.

36 posted on 09/08/2006 10:18:44 AM PDT by epow
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To: kiriath_jearim
Here's the gold and diamond $30,000 version. Gangsta concealed carry of choice.


37 posted on 09/08/2006 10:19:10 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: kiriath_jearim

Was that taken up at Knob Creek?


38 posted on 09/08/2006 10:22:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Bogey78O
WCBS-TV (New York) ^ | 9/6/06 | Ti-Hua Chang

Written by and for new Yorkers. Remember the average New Yorker urinates in their clothing at the sight of a gun. Poor things just can't help it - part of their anti-freedom Democrat culture.

39 posted on 09/08/2006 10:23:47 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: July 4th
Minigun?
40 posted on 09/08/2006 10:32:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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