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Mini Guns Put ATF On Alert
WCBS-TV (New York) ^ | 9/6/06 | Ti-Hua Chang

Posted on 09/08/2006 9:34:34 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Federal ATF Agents issued an officer safety advisory on what is called the world’s smallest gun after a CBS 2 inquiry. The Alert has been issued both in the New York and nationally to all Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives criminal investigators and will be passed on to other federal agencies.

ATF has confiscated thousands of disguised or miniature guns -- from flashlights that shoot a .25 caliber bullet to pen guns.

The latest miniature gun that is alarming ATF agents is the SwissMiniGun. It’s extremely small -- just over two inches long. It comes with tiny bullets designed especially for the weapon that can penetrate skin. Even in its holster, this gun is so small that law enforcement experts say it could pass for a keychain ornament.

According to William McMahon, special agent in charge of the New York ATF office, that makes it the perfect stealth weapon for a variety of criminals.

“A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

As its name indicates, the SwissMiniGun is manufactured in Switzerland. CBS 2 News reached the company's CEO, Paul Erard, by phone.

He said the gun is a miniature, detailed copy of the Colt Python revolver. He sells it for roughly $5,000 to gun collectors (though he added that most of his guns are encrusted with diamonds and gold, so they can cost $30,000).

He said he has sold 50 miniguns, all to only one area of the world. “Contacts in the Middle East asked me to make a miniature of Colt Python," said Erard.

Erard refused to say which Middle-Eastern countries. His reaction when asked if terrorists might use it? At first he laughed and said, “ Absolutely ridiculous.”

When CBS 2 got him to admit his gun shoots bullets using gunpowder, he then changed his tone. “Of course I am concerned as manufacturers of air guns are concerned. This is not a toy,” said Erard.

A national police organization notes that unlike air guns, SwissMiniGuns can be concealed and shoot with gunpowder bullets that travel at 400-plus feet per second. These bullets could be aimed at the face.

Joe Occhipinti of the National Police Defense Foundation was alarmed by the SwissMiniGun’s potential uses, noting, “In a routine stop, a guy could certainly make a joke, and 'Say see my little gun here?' point at the officer and shoot. It looks like a key chain and [an officer’s] guard would be down."

Occhipinti added, "I could easily see a passenger attempting to go to an airport take out a key chain put in with coins in the little basket. No one would detect that."

SwissMiniGuns cannot be legally imported into the United States because the barrel is less than three inches long -- in this case, a lot less.

No SwissMiniGuns have been recovered here yet, but McMahon admits, “If it came into the United States, it would be a concern.”

This alert is the result of a single officer in Maryland seeing the gun on a Web site and alerting other officers, including the National Police Defense Foundation.

CBS 2 News learned of the weapon and passed word on to the ATF. It is an example of officers using the Internet the way some terrorists do but in this case, to combat them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; bs; swissminigun
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To: kiriath_jearim
I understand they cost about $5000.00. A sure candidate to prolifically replace any "Saturday night special" out there.

At it's size, if you were to shoot someone with it, they would probably take it away from you and create an anal blockage, you would not appreciate at all..
121 posted on 09/09/2006 4:10:18 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a lot of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: July 4th

The real trigger is that spur hanging down from the trigger guard.


122 posted on 09/09/2006 7:42:00 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

But being as this is a SwissMiniGun, the smallest handgun in the world,
... you've got to ask yourself one question:
Do I feel lucky?
Well, do ya punk? ...

123 posted on 09/09/2006 8:31:01 AM PDT by Barnacle
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To: goldstategop; A knight without armor


124 posted on 09/09/2006 8:45:26 AM PDT by Barnacle
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To: CGTRWK; Richard-SIA
check out this comparison of a 2.7mm vs a .45

Mash here

125 posted on 09/09/2006 11:01:31 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: ibbryn

I can't believe anyone with half a brain is wasting their time worrying about this."

I think you've pinpointed the problem.


126 posted on 09/09/2006 11:18:22 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Sarah Brady says you're 43 times more likely to swallow a mini gun than to use one to successfully commit a robbery.

Me, personally?

127 posted on 09/09/2006 11:31:11 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: evets

That is so gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

128 posted on 09/09/2006 11:33:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: kiriath_jearim
(in best Crocodile Dundee voice) "That's not a gun", (pulls out .454) "Now, This is a gun!"

Johnny! Put that away! You'll put someone's eye out!

Whatever keeps 'em busy...keeps kittens and church groups safe.

129 posted on 09/09/2006 11:35:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Centurion2000
Wow ... a gun you can literally get shot with and laugh about it.

Now, now, J F'n Kerry woulda got a purple heart out of it...

130 posted on 09/09/2006 11:40:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Lazamataz

I'm embarassed to say I used to have one of those.

But it was a long time ago.

Six months ago, in fact.


131 posted on 09/09/2006 1:30:19 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
I'm embarassed to say I used to have one of those.

A penis? ;^)

132 posted on 09/09/2006 2:14:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Bogey78O

As if anyone would be afraid of a gun that shoots a projectile half the size of a grain of rice at a pa;try 400fps. I can see a perp pulling out one of these tiny "guns" and announcing that he was hijacking te plane. After the passengers got through laughing at him, they would beat the snot out of the fool.


133 posted on 09/09/2006 2:31:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Lazamataz

My pen is, mightier than the sword.


134 posted on 09/09/2006 3:09:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Smokin' Joe
Now, now, J F'n Kerry woulda got a purple heart out of it...

Don't you mean a purple heart with gold star for each little teensy piece of bullet?

135 posted on 09/09/2006 3:11:17 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Property tax is feudalism. Income taxes are armed robbery of the minority by the majority.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Witty. :^)


136 posted on 09/09/2006 3:12:50 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: 3niner

"I'd have more confidence in a thrown rock."

Shhh! If they outlaw rocks, only outlaws...


137 posted on 09/09/2006 7:33:47 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian ( You anti-American socialists can stop calling yourselves Democrats now. ><BCC>NRA)
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

As an aside, doesn't one have to know at least something about firearms if they're going to be working for the BATFE in the firearms part of that agency?

~ Blue Jays ~

138 posted on 09/09/2006 7:39:03 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

Probably not.


139 posted on 09/09/2006 8:00:23 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian ( You anti-American socialists can stop calling yourselves Democrats now. ><BCC>NRA)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Hi B.C.C.-

They apparently don't even have a vague interest in firearms, either. Construction workers know about building, chefs know about food, and developers know about writing software...but BATFE guys like the one in this story are apparently without skills related to their jobs. I can't believe some BATFE bigwig didn't halt this silly interview to reduce the opportunity for agency embarrassment.

~ Blue Jays ~

140 posted on 09/09/2006 8:38:44 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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