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Mini Guns Put ATF On Alert
WCBS-TV (New York) ^ | 9/6/06 | Ti-Hua Chang

Posted on 09/08/2006 9:34:34 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Federal ATF Agents issued an officer safety advisory on what is called the world’s smallest gun after a CBS 2 inquiry. The Alert has been issued both in the New York and nationally to all Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives criminal investigators and will be passed on to other federal agencies.

ATF has confiscated thousands of disguised or miniature guns -- from flashlights that shoot a .25 caliber bullet to pen guns.

The latest miniature gun that is alarming ATF agents is the SwissMiniGun. It’s extremely small -- just over two inches long. It comes with tiny bullets designed especially for the weapon that can penetrate skin. Even in its holster, this gun is so small that law enforcement experts say it could pass for a keychain ornament.

According to William McMahon, special agent in charge of the New York ATF office, that makes it the perfect stealth weapon for a variety of criminals.

“A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

As its name indicates, the SwissMiniGun is manufactured in Switzerland. CBS 2 News reached the company's CEO, Paul Erard, by phone.

He said the gun is a miniature, detailed copy of the Colt Python revolver. He sells it for roughly $5,000 to gun collectors (though he added that most of his guns are encrusted with diamonds and gold, so they can cost $30,000).

He said he has sold 50 miniguns, all to only one area of the world. “Contacts in the Middle East asked me to make a miniature of Colt Python," said Erard.

Erard refused to say which Middle-Eastern countries. His reaction when asked if terrorists might use it? At first he laughed and said, “ Absolutely ridiculous.”

When CBS 2 got him to admit his gun shoots bullets using gunpowder, he then changed his tone. “Of course I am concerned as manufacturers of air guns are concerned. This is not a toy,” said Erard.

A national police organization notes that unlike air guns, SwissMiniGuns can be concealed and shoot with gunpowder bullets that travel at 400-plus feet per second. These bullets could be aimed at the face.

Joe Occhipinti of the National Police Defense Foundation was alarmed by the SwissMiniGun’s potential uses, noting, “In a routine stop, a guy could certainly make a joke, and 'Say see my little gun here?' point at the officer and shoot. It looks like a key chain and [an officer’s] guard would be down."

Occhipinti added, "I could easily see a passenger attempting to go to an airport take out a key chain put in with coins in the little basket. No one would detect that."

SwissMiniGuns cannot be legally imported into the United States because the barrel is less than three inches long -- in this case, a lot less.

No SwissMiniGuns have been recovered here yet, but McMahon admits, “If it came into the United States, it would be a concern.”

This alert is the result of a single officer in Maryland seeing the gun on a Web site and alerting other officers, including the National Police Defense Foundation.

CBS 2 News learned of the weapon and passed word on to the ATF. It is an example of officers using the Internet the way some terrorists do but in this case, to combat them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; bs; swissminigun
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To: 2harddrive

2hard,
If I hadn't already bought two pistols recently....great idea man!


101 posted on 09/08/2006 6:10:40 PM PDT by ottersnot (Democrats, leading the GWAA: Global War Against America)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Celebrate FREEDOM! Buy a Gun for 9/11 !!!


102 posted on 09/08/2006 6:46:07 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Bogey78O
The ATF is an organization which shouldn't exist.
Ronald Reagan planned to dissolve them into the FBI where they belong, but got stopped.

Unfortunate.

Create a bureau to find and hunt down witches, and they will create them.
103 posted on 09/08/2006 6:57:37 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: patton

It might even break the skin and cause a nasty infection!


104 posted on 09/08/2006 8:02:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

lol


105 posted on 09/08/2006 8:03:12 PM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

OH MY GOD!

PANIC, PANIC, run and hide!

A bullet with a weight equal to a speck of sand, propelled at an incredible 400 FPS!

Why, that's slower than the cheapest BB gun on the market, it must be SUPER DEADLY!

You could lose an eye!

(end sarcasm)

Typical BATFE and liberal idiocy, the "gun" has never been exported to the U.S., there is no plan to export it to the U.S., and even if they came in U.S. breakfast cereal boxes the projectile is too anemic to do much more than annoy a victim.
I guess BATFE is concerned about rich thugs spending $5,000 ea. for tiny little guns to rob 7-11's with!

Thugs can easily trade drugs for all the real guns they want, or steal them, this is such a non-problem it's a sick joke that BATFE even responded to the lib's panic.


106 posted on 09/08/2006 8:16:01 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: BJClinton

Yea, had they pulled out these peashooters they'd not even made it past the flight attendant. We'd all be so lucky if terrorist chose this weapon.


107 posted on 09/08/2006 8:29:31 PM PDT by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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To: KoRn

ping


108 posted on 09/08/2006 8:49:17 PM PDT by Rev. Pogo ("Death has come to your little town, Sherriff.")
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To: MosesKnows
I'm just curious. What velocity could the average person achieve throwing an object that size? What would be the equivalent muzzle energy as the object left the hand?

A MLB fastball leaves the hand around 140 feet per second. For a non athlete with a more ordinary pitching shoulder, that would be more like 110 to 120 fps.

Throwing this tiny speck of a projectile would seem to be significantly more difficult than launching a baseball, as the bullet has essentially no inertia to balance your throwing motion against. I think 100 feet per second would be an optimistic goal.

At 100 feet per second, the 2.3mm SwissMiniGun projectile would have a muzzle energy (or more properly, a palm energy) of about .044 foot pounds - or 0.7 foot ounces.

A baseball at 140 feet per second has about 100 foot pounds of energy.

109 posted on 09/08/2006 9:13:22 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: kiriath_jearim

What a joke. 400 fps is slower than almost all airguns. Heck, I have one that is 1000 fps, with a MUCH bigger bullet.

This is asinine.


110 posted on 09/09/2006 1:21:17 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Crist!!! Next Governor of Florida!)
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To: Redcitizen
A police officer would die laughing than see it as a threat.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

111 posted on 09/09/2006 1:28:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kiriath_jearim

http://www.swissminigun.com


112 posted on 09/09/2006 1:31:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kiriath_jearim
This pretty little toy gun can be carried on its own key chain holster. Its big enough to fit into a lady's purse:

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

113 posted on 09/09/2006 1:36:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Larry Lucido
A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

I used to work at a bank. I am so glad they weren't around back then, someone might have tried to rob the bank with one. I might have fallen down laughing and hurt myself. I'm no gun nut, but even I can tell that that my neighbor's kid's bb gun is more powerful.
114 posted on 09/09/2006 1:38:39 AM PDT by Amber Paine01 (On the wrong track, historically speaking)
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To: Amber Paine01

You would have seen the minigun and died laughing on the bank floor. That's how deadly these things are! Thank G*d criminals don't have these...all the busted guts would make for a long cleanup.


115 posted on 09/09/2006 1:47:52 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Its too late. The image of my insides spilling out from laughter actually made me giggle. It was a very graphic image in my mind, too. I think this site is too addictive for me.


116 posted on 09/09/2006 1:52:32 AM PDT by Amber Paine01 (On the wrong track, historically speaking)
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To: evets

The is so phallic...


117 posted on 09/09/2006 2:01:00 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: evets

Six Finger
Six Finger
Man Alive!
"How did I ever get along with five?"

A friend of mine had one of those. We really had a hard time figuring out our play story line. Not cowboys, not soldiers, but maybe spies. But surely the enemy would notice the extra finger that didn't bend...

Now the Mattel spy guns disguised as a camera or radio, those were way cool. Except when you hit the button, they almost jumped out of your hand.


118 posted on 09/09/2006 2:21:02 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
A national police organization notes that unlike air guns, SwissMiniGuns can be concealed and shoot with gunpowder bullets that travel at 400-plus feet per second.

That could put an eye out!
Yes mother, I was listening to you way back when.
119 posted on 09/09/2006 2:25:37 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: kiriath_jearim

As always, the emphasis is on the THING rather than the PERSON with violent intentions and no restraining set of morals. They will sure as hell want to ban this thing. Instead, they should ban people with violent intentions and actions. Damn the left!


120 posted on 09/09/2006 2:51:23 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Leftist policies don't work. They hurt those they pretend to help.)
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