[js1138]

I addressed that in my very first post. Many atheists are moral despite not believing. I have never claimed one needed to be a believer to be moral.

But that is precisely the question I am addressing. If you think of a matrix consisting of believers and non-believers, people who behave well and people who don't, you will find people occuping all squares. The same will apply regardless of the specific item of "morality" being considered.

[Protagoras]

people who behave well and people who don't, you will find people occuping all squares.

Many people do wrong while believing it is neutral. That is the difference.

Bill Clinton didn't think it was wrong to do the things he did. He is quite convinced that his actions were right, only the consequences were unacceptable.