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To: KeepUSfree; lentulusgracchus; napscoordinator; longtermmemmory; Antoninus; vox humana; Tokra; ...
You wrote, "Once again, which gender should a hermaphrodite fall in love with?? They have both a penis and a vagina."

If this person has a Y chromosome, he is a male on a cellular level. He may or may not have functioning testes. He would probably benefit from reconstructive surgery to make him a more anatomically complete male, and if he doesn't have functioning testes he'll need hormone replacement.

If this person lacks a Y chromosome, she is a female on a cellular level. Again, surgical/hormone therapy can be helpful.

As to who this person should fall in love with, that's of interest subjectively, but not entirely relevant to behavior. It's certainly not morally licit to have sexual relations with anybody you fall in love with; otherwise almost all married people would commit adultery, and almost all males, at least, would be lifelong serial fornicators. Behavior doesn't follow directly and inevitably from feelings; and feelings are notoriously changeable.

Ref: "Jenny," by Sigrid Undset. Or "Madame Bovary" by Gustave Flaubert. Or thousands of falling-in-love-and-falling-out-again novels; or most of us can consult our own experiences. Sexual behavior based on temporary appetites leads to a miserable, screwed-up life (and, apparently, abundant literature!) 8^)

You wrote, "Or did God make "a mistake" when he allowed hermaphrodites?? Oh, God doesn't MAKE mistakes."

I have a couple of genetically-related disorders, namely diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis. Did God make a mistake when He allowed this? No. He didn't directly will or create any disease or disorder, including diabetes or arthiritis or hermaphroditism. God created order; all disorders are result of our fallen nature, which is not God's Plan A, not the way God intended from the beginning. (See one of my previous posts on "The Fall of Man.")

All these disorders cause a great deal of suffering, and the best we can do is to show compassion to sufferers, and provide healing as well as we are able. It does NOT help to falsely claim that abnormality is normal, that disorder is order, or that sin is acceptable behavior.

I sin, for instance, by eating high-carb desserts despite thr fact that they aggravate my sickness. Those who love me don't say "That's OK, have another fudge brownie." Those who love me help me change my behavior.

You wrote: "Pride, anger, envy,etc.,etc., etc., have NOTHING to do with love. Or, is LOVE one of your sins now too??? "

No, love isn't a sin. Of course not. But you wouldn't be equating sexual impulse with love, would you?

You wrote: "And, using your logic...since "noone is born to be gay"...then "no one is born to be heterosexual either"

Actually, our whole species (as well as our Genus, Order, Class, and Phylum) are all sexed, male-and-female, with the anatomy, physiology, and behavioral instincts which correspond to sexual reproduction. Individuals who lack the requisite anatomy, physiology, or instincts are abnormal. No moral judgment here. It's just a deficiency which can often be helped by therapeutic intervention.

BTW, when I say "therapeutic intervention," I don't mean aversion therapy. I mean shaping the anatomy, physiology, and instincts so they are harmonious.

God loves each one of His children and desires their health and wholeness. When He walked this earth with us, He gave us an example as a compassionate healer. Surely we should do the same.

111 posted on 08/25/2006 3:27:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. I'm still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
No, love isn't a sin. Of course not. But you wouldn't be equating sexual impulse with love, would you?

That may have been the most thorough and well-argued refutation of the litany of homosexual fallacies I have ever seen.

Well done!
112 posted on 08/25/2006 3:39:52 PM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"If this person has a Y chromosome, he is a male on a cellular level. He may or may not have functioning testes. He would probably benefit from reconstructive surgery to make him a more anatomically complete male, and if he doesn't have functioning testes he'll need hormone replacement. If this person lacks a Y chromosome, she is a female on a cellular level. Again, surgical/hormone therapy can be helpful. "

Helpful??? Helpful to what? To make them the way YOU think they should be made?? Helpful so you can squeeze them into your male and female boxes. That's disgusting.

What if they are perfectly happy the way they are?? What if, unlike yourself they can ACCEPT that God made them this way...and it's OK.

If THIS is what you want you actually think about an innocent baby born in God's image....then you and I don't worship the same God.

My God would NEVER want one of his children to have surgery so that they can fit into YOUR definition of right & wrong.

That is just plain sick.

113 posted on 08/25/2006 4:09:07 PM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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