Posted on 08/25/2006 2:56:54 AM PDT by FairOpinion
Sure.
(1)I could cultivate erotic and romantic feelings for other women, seek the company of lesbians, and participate in the aspects of "lesbian culture"--- concerts and dances, discussion groups, literary activities, "womyn's spirituality" prayer groups and lesbian-affirming churches, and so forth--- which are found in great abundance in big cities and University towns; and
(2)I could no doubt find a woman I was fond of, and pursue a sexual relationship with her.
In fact, there are many young heterosexual women in Women's Studies and other lesbian milieux who are doing exactly that. At the local State University they call them LTG's (Lesbians 'Til Graduation.)
And the number of lesbians who are divorced, with children, shows that they were at one time functioning as heterosexuals.
Feelings fluctuate and can be modified --- sometiems more, and sometimes less-- by expectations and experience. But behavior is always a choice. That's what it means to be a rational being.
" There are billions of genetic variations which lead to billions of different definitions of "normal"."
Clinton logic...."depends on what IS... Is." SHEESH!!
God's words are in the universe around you. Observe it. Live it. Love it.
Stop placing so much power in a book written by men, for men.
No... just reality. Which, of course, doesn't fit in your little box.
Words, inspired by God!
It's true. In fact, we're flawed. Every one of us. That is the one doctrine of Christianity (The Fall of Man) which is proved on a daily basis. Just watch the news.
It takes an effort for ANYONE to abstain from morally offensive thoughts, words, and deeds. And not just in the realm of illicit sex, but also in relation to other issues like pride, anger, envy, gluttony, greed, laziness, and the one which brings down so many otherwise virtuous people, (ta-daaah!) self-righteousness.
That being said, every one of us is in charge of learning to master their own appetites, overcome their own flaws and weaknesses, and be reponsible for their own behavior. Nobody is "born to be gay" and more than they're born to be pastry chefs. Or bank embezzlers. Or sculptors. Or sluts.
It's always an interplay fo heredity, environment, grace, and choice.
Let's try to help each other be our best. That seems the most decent thing to do.
Denial is not reality!
Help each other OVERCOME, and NOT SUCCUMB, to any abnormal behavior albeit sexually or socially predisposed.
This is the most loving thing you can do for another.
If you want to call your statement that "some are born gay" a non-point that's entirely up to you. That's what I'm arguing. Your "non-point" isn't supported by science but you KNOW some are born that way.
I've asked you to provide a reference, any reference, that supports you statement and you didn't. Well, you can't. You know it. I know it. And now everybody knows it.
Robert A. Heinlein.
Humans are not dung beetles.
You are confusing choices in behavior with biology and specifically anatomy.
Anatomy defines function. Use of function defines behavior.
Urination is a function of removing waste material from the body. HOWEVER, some humans have adapted that function into a sexual gratification behavior.
The real question should be how does sexual gratification become associated with a behavior outside the design of the human body. (see also why do lions jump through flaming hoops? Why do skydivers jump out of funtioning airplanes?)
There is no issue if this was dealt with in a true scientific manner. Homoactivists assume that if ONE person is allowed to choose to modify their own behavior using established science, somehow it will somehow impede their ability to do "whatever" in the privacy of the bedroom.
Um, no.
Yet no scientific evidence exists to support your statement. In other words, "Your personal beliefs do not change reality."
I don't think so... could be though, as that name sounds really familiar. I'll remember it, eventually.
Actually there are some studies that show that abnormal amounts of testosterone in the fetus can cause homsexuality. Other studies show that fetus that were flooded with adreneline have a muich higher chance of becoming homosexual. There is also a definite link between the relationship of the length of the 2nd and 4th fingers and homosexuality. In most homosexuals, the ring finger is longer than their index finger. The opposite is true for most heterosexuals.
Now where are your proofs that homosexuality is NOT a genetic trait? (your opinion does not count as a scientific study)
Um, yes:
"Aversion therapy has been used in attempts to convert homosexual individuals to heterosexuality. While more common past decades, is still utilized in some situations."
"Psychologist Martin E.P. Seligman reports that while aversion therapy to "treat" homosexuality is controversial, it can be safely reported that, in some instances, the process "worked surprisingly well," with up to 50% of men subjected to such therapy not acting on their homosexual urges. (Seligman, p. 156) These results produced what Seligman describes as "a great burst of enthusiasm about changing homosexuality [that] swept over the theraputic comunity" after the results were reported in 1966. (Seligman, p. 156) However, Seligman notes that the findings were later demonstrated to be "flawed": most of the men treated with aversion therapy who did in fact stop homosexual behaviour were actually bisexual. Among men with an exclusive or near-exclusive homosexual orientation, aversion therapy was far less successful. (Seligman, p157)"
Actually there are some studies that show that abnormal amounts of testosterone in the fetus can cause homsexuality.
Show me the study and I'll show you one that debunks it.
Other studies show that fetus that were flooded with adreneline have a muich higher chance of becoming homosexual.
Show me the study and I'll show you one that debunks it.
There is also a definite link between the relationship of the length of the 2nd and 4th fingers and homosexuality.
Show me the study and I'll show you one that debunks it.
In most homosexuals, the ring finger is longer than their index finger. The opposite is true for most heterosexuals.
Show me the study and I'll show you one that debunks it.
Your personal opinion does not count, either.
That's a good one. Aversion therapy was abandoned over 30 years ago.
THey exist.
They have both a penis and a vagina.
Who should they be with..a man or a woman??? Or did God make "a mistake" when he allowed Hermaphrodites?? Oh, God doesn't MAKE mistakes. So, they MUST be here for a reason.
Pride, anger, envy,etc.,etc., etc., have NOTHING to do with love. Or, is LOVE one of your sins now too???
And, using your logic...since "noone is born to be gay"...then "no one is born to be heterosexual either" (logic sucks when you put your faith in a flawed book written by men). Show me the gene or the study. So, if noone is born to be gay or born to be hetero...it would follow that there is nothing wrong with either..... "Inspired by GOd!!" What a laugh. So was the Son of Sam. So is Osama. Great company.
I put my faith in the God I see and talk to everyday.
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