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To: Abd al-Rahiim
YES, I do think China has that influence on Iran. It doesn't matter weather or not China is a secular state. All they want is their BIG PORTION of the pie (I'm talking about the world or the part they want) China wants the USA to spend money in the Middle East but doesn't want us to accomplish anything (Thus the sectarian violence in Iraq, the Violence in Lebanon, Irans answer to the United States about it's enriching program in the form of planes blowing up over majior U.S. cities Thank God this plot was foiled). With a little help from our Friends in the U.S. Senate they might just get their way.
The Mullahs would tolerate anything that leads them to their goal of re-establishing the "Ottoman Empire" This has been whispered quietly recently. For example when the Leader of Qatar simply mentioned "The Arabian Gulf" in one of his press conferences Ahmadimejad's feather's got into a ruffle. He fired back publicly saying " I noticed you changed the name of the PERSIAN GULF to the Arabian Peninsula " These are the subtleties that people with their in the sand don't wish to recognize. I'm not trying to shame or blame you, just trying to open your eyes.
HONESTLY.....

PEACE ENFORCER
52 posted on 08/25/2006 8:47:32 AM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER
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To: PEACE ENFORCER
It's opinion, and we differ on that.

There's a difference between a caliphate and the Ottoman Empire.

I'm not sure exactly what the point of the Qatar-Iran issue was other than the fact that Iranians are proud of their Persian identity.

53 posted on 08/25/2006 8:57:11 AM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: PEACE ENFORCER; Abd al-Rahiim

Sorry to interject but I'm interested in the subject matter.

"There's a difference between a caliphate and the Ottoman Empire."

There is. Broadly, Ottoman Empire originated in Turkey and Caliphate is Arab in origin. Islam was conceived in Arabia and later spread, mainly by force, to Asia Minor which includes Turkey as we now know it. Historically, this distinction alone is significant.

The Caliphate
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/CALIPH.HTM

The Ottomans
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0860176.html
http://www.cqpress.com/context/articles/epr_saudi.html

"I noticed you changed the name of the PERSIAN GULF to the Arabian Peninsula" ...."the fact that Iranians are proud of their Persian identity."

It is true that the Iranians are proud of not only their 'Persian' identity (one ethnic group approx. 51% of current population in Iran), but also of their 'Iranian' identity (many ethnic groups in Iran including Iranian-Arabs, who fought on Iran side not the Arab/Saddam side during Iraq-Iran War in the 80's).

Secondly, Ahmadinejad would naturally quip about the use of the term "Arabian Gulf", wouldn't he? Ahmadinejad may be viewed as a lunatic, but he knows how to play the popularity game at home in Iran where most Iranian people, despite the insidious efforts of IRI to Arabize Iran and even the Parsi/Farsi language, are, predominantly, still more nationalists than Islamofacists. Even & especially now, alot of Iranians realize that they were first born an Iranian not a Moslem. Thanks to IRI and their savageries in Iran over the last couple of decades for indirectly reinforcing Iranian nationalism rather than Islamisms within Iran.

Thirdly, Ahmadinejad's emphasis on "Persian Gulf" is not about being a proud persian. It is about being a Proud Shiite Moslem vs someone from Qatar, as you quote, who, most likely, is a Sunni Moslem. Syrians, and Hezbollah are Shiites too and Shiites are in the minority in the Islamic world. Furthermore, there is and has been no love lost between the Arab Sunnis and the Shiites which includes IRI.

Lastly, nationalism e.g. "calling oneself a Persian" is not acceptable by IRI wisdom. Khomeini, Khatami, and so on have repeatedly tried to brainwash Iranians and the world by saying that: nationalism has no place in Islam of their creation. Nationalism is a Western plot to undermine Islam.

I've an inkling that the situation is more complex but the above is just a flavor of what is happening.


62 posted on 08/26/2006 12:07:46 AM PDT by odds
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