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To: PEACE ENFORCER; Abd al-Rahiim

Sorry to interject but I'm interested in the subject matter.

"There's a difference between a caliphate and the Ottoman Empire."

There is. Broadly, Ottoman Empire originated in Turkey and Caliphate is Arab in origin. Islam was conceived in Arabia and later spread, mainly by force, to Asia Minor which includes Turkey as we now know it. Historically, this distinction alone is significant.

The Caliphate
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/CALIPH.HTM

The Ottomans
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0860176.html
http://www.cqpress.com/context/articles/epr_saudi.html

"I noticed you changed the name of the PERSIAN GULF to the Arabian Peninsula" ...."the fact that Iranians are proud of their Persian identity."

It is true that the Iranians are proud of not only their 'Persian' identity (one ethnic group approx. 51% of current population in Iran), but also of their 'Iranian' identity (many ethnic groups in Iran including Iranian-Arabs, who fought on Iran side not the Arab/Saddam side during Iraq-Iran War in the 80's).

Secondly, Ahmadinejad would naturally quip about the use of the term "Arabian Gulf", wouldn't he? Ahmadinejad may be viewed as a lunatic, but he knows how to play the popularity game at home in Iran where most Iranian people, despite the insidious efforts of IRI to Arabize Iran and even the Parsi/Farsi language, are, predominantly, still more nationalists than Islamofacists. Even & especially now, alot of Iranians realize that they were first born an Iranian not a Moslem. Thanks to IRI and their savageries in Iran over the last couple of decades for indirectly reinforcing Iranian nationalism rather than Islamisms within Iran.

Thirdly, Ahmadinejad's emphasis on "Persian Gulf" is not about being a proud persian. It is about being a Proud Shiite Moslem vs someone from Qatar, as you quote, who, most likely, is a Sunni Moslem. Syrians, and Hezbollah are Shiites too and Shiites are in the minority in the Islamic world. Furthermore, there is and has been no love lost between the Arab Sunnis and the Shiites which includes IRI.

Lastly, nationalism e.g. "calling oneself a Persian" is not acceptable by IRI wisdom. Khomeini, Khatami, and so on have repeatedly tried to brainwash Iranians and the world by saying that: nationalism has no place in Islam of their creation. Nationalism is a Western plot to undermine Islam.

I've an inkling that the situation is more complex but the above is just a flavor of what is happening.


62 posted on 08/26/2006 12:07:46 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds
Very well written.
64 posted on 08/26/2006 6:39:07 AM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: odds
Thanks for the interesting historical data. Very informative. Times are fluid and contextual, I'm speaking of the quote.....War On Terror.... And the influence China has as a player in all of this not to mention the 4 foot tall menace in N. Korea. The simple point I was trying to make (but decided not to reply to Mr. Abd Al Rahiim due to ideological hopelessness) was the proxy system of terrorists starting with China, rolling downhill to Iran, then to All the little terror groups (cells) in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, (who by the way just attacked the Kurds yesterday probably to provide a faint for Iran taking over the oil refinery nobody's talking about who got the same game plan from Hugo Chavez in Venezuela) All this is not so complicated if one can OPEN ones mind and eyeballs.
Honestly
PEACE ENFORCER
66 posted on 08/26/2006 11:27:12 AM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER
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