Posted on 08/20/2006 8:57:44 PM PDT by FreedomCalls
OMG. I (obviously) just read this. Horrible, and unconstitutional. Must we now prove we are innocent? I at times, as have my family carried large sums of cash (I deleted why- it is irrelevant...it is still a supposedly free country)
Actually, you're wrong...and so is the government.
The US Constitution specifically says "No state shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts" (Article I sec 10). Gold was eliminated as a legal tender in 1933 and silver saw its last sunrise in 1970 (other than specialty items for collectors...but this isn't considered "tender").
I fear for the republic.
Thanks for the info!
Tough one.
There's probably not a lot of good sense involved in carrying over a 100 grand in a cooler. Anyone who does should EXPECT bad things to happen.
If they're here illegally, I have no sympathy for them. They have saved themselves $100K by working hard, etc. but they have also cost the US taxpayer more than that in undeserved medical and educational benefits.
Gonzolez is not an illegal. He's a citizen. He had a valid driver's license.
He originally had it in a carry-on bag when he flew to Chicago. Went through the airport screening and all. He only put it in the cooler when his friend said the same thing you did, that bad things might happen to him with all that cash -- someone might steal it. He then hid it in a cooler so that no one would want to take it like they would if it were still in the bag. Then the police stole it. Ironic.
A valid drivers license from many states in this Union does not guarantee that the holder is a citizen. It is possible for ILLEGALS to obtain valid driver's licenses in many states. That is a fact.
Gonzolez is a citizen. It was in the court filings during the appeal. He was admitted as a refugee from the war in El Salvador and given citizenship under our asylum laws. Quote: "Claimant Manuel Gomez testified that he is a lawful permanent resident of the United States, having been granted political asylum, and is a native and citizen of El Salvador. (Tr1 288, 293)."
If this man was "legal" there is a better than even chance the "collection" these people took up also included contributions from a few illegals too. There IS a reason why that bundle was in cash and not by bank check.
This sort of thing might never come up for a vote, but if it does, I'm on the list to vote against the abuse....
So Ronald Reagan lied to us about the Communists waging war in Nicaragua and El Salvador in the mid-80s? The people there weren't really persecuted, they just made it up?
Then don't try to blow smoke up my a$$ that not one political asylum claimant actually has some valid basis for doing so.
Surely there were some valid persecutions in that war were they not? Gonzolez immigrated to America in 1987 during that war.
And where did I say "every"? You put it in quotes like I did. I didn't. Don't lie.
It's not "real-founded". You said he was an illegal. He isn't. You than made that absurd (and not "real-founded") assertion that he may have been carrying money collected from people who may have been illegal, therefore it is acceptable for the government to steal his money from him without charging him with a crime. That's not a conservative point-of-view. We don't like it when governments confiscate our money even when they do it legally under draconian tax law. Now you are supporting government flat-out stealing money from someone not charged with a crime based on a suspicion that it may have been legitimate hard-earned money collected from people who may be here illegally, even though no such evidence was offered at trial. Is this the kind of government you want a future President Hillary Clinton to run? What would she do with that kind of power?
Sure there are some that have valid asylum claims but perhaps you don't realize that the process for doing so does not involve a whit's worth of actual proof of said persecution. It only takes convincing a judicial official; and they are so overloaded with these claimants they don't have time to carefully judge the issue. Regardless, giving this Gonzales the benefit of that doubt, there is still a very high probability that something is fishy with all of that cash. It just doesn't ring true....
Just what part of that phrase I originally wrote, and upon which you commented indicates that I claimed he was illegal. IF, being the operative word here, means that IF he is here illegally, I have no sympathy for him.
My assertions were no less absurd than each of the logic stretches you made in your transistion from drivers license, to persecuted asylum seeker, to now perfectly upstanding law-abiding citizen because you don't think it's likely that something shady was going on. There are millions of illegals here and they are a REAL problem. Things like carrying a buttload of cash around smacks either of drugs, illegal activities, or ODD behavior. At the very least, the behavior is odd. I don't want Hillary in charge, but I also am not willing to fully apply the protection of the US Constitution to anyone who cannot conclusively prove he is a valid US citizen.
As I have pointed out numerous times, that "if" is not valid. He is here legally. If you are a dog, then who is typing your messages?
This isn't going anywhere...let's just call it a day - I've got better things to do than argue with a moron (escalation is great isn't it? You call me a dog, I call you a moron).
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