'Rules' of War Limit Marines(and Soldiers...Must read!)

Orange County Register ^ | August 20, 2006 | GORDON DILLOW

[Oztrich Boy]

At some point, the chair warmers and lawyers will have to give way to warriors, and the Dogs of War will be unleashed.

At which point the US should admit it lost again and bug out or be prepared to occupy Mesopotania for a century.

[SandRat]

Far too few American Citizens', even fewer POLY-TIC ians, and none of the media/world da's understand much less acknowledge that the military is NOT, I repeat NOT a surgeon's scalpel it's a fracking BROADSWORD!

As for the press being there OK but under WWII rules and the UCMJ break the rules and the UCMJ Kicks in and Kicks you to Prison.

[gunnyg]

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/stang063006.shtml
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[GrandEagle]

US should admit it lost again
I would have to take issue a bit here.
We did not lose the war. What we will eventually lose is the installation of a peaceful government.
This type of "nation building" only worked in WWII because we wreaked such havoc that the enemy wanted peace.
These are not a peaceful people. We should let the military do what it does best, wreak total havoc on the enemy until they are simply tired of it. Total - flat out war.
When they tire of it, pull out and go home. Restock, replenish, and get ready for the next time - and there will be a next time.
When the next time comes, again, total unadulterated, flat out war. Then come back home.
If we let the military do the job, it will take 20-30 years for our enemy to rebuild. If we keep them busy rebuilding, then they can't do war very well.
Lose the war? Not a chance. Bogged down in this "New World Order" nation building crap, sure.

Cordially,
GE

[Non-Sequitur]

Total - flat out war.

The problem at this stage is total, flat out war on whom? Theoretically we won the war and have our allies setting up a friendly, democratic government. At this point we can't go around flattening their electorate.

[Oztrich Boy]

This type of "nation building" only worked in WWII because we wreaked such havoc that the enemy wanted peace.

Newsflash, you are not going to get the insurgent central command to agree to unconditional surrender.

[GrandEagle]

flat out war on whom?
Very good question.
The first error in thought that we have is that the government that is being set up there is a friendly, democratic government. The people in power are just glad that we picked them to be in power.
The folks over there have no desire to understand Freedom or Liberty. They could care less about these things except to the extent that they are on the top of the heap.
Freedom, Democratic process, and Liberty requires that one is prepared to allow others the freedom of thought.
This area never has and IMHO never will fall into this category as long as Islam in any form is present.
The only thing that Islam understands, and more importantly RESPECTS, is raw, brute, force.
They "negotiate" from a thought process of "what can I con the infidels into believing now".
If we have run out of the ability to determine who the enemy is, or the national will to destroy that enemy, then it is time to come home and prepare for the next time.

IMHO - respectfully,
GE

[grey_whiskers]

Newsflash, you are not going to get the insurgent central command to agree to unconditional surrender.

Not with PC bullsh*t.

As far as the "panties on the head" torture...

It would be better to do it like this--

Tell the captured insurgent, "We have two sets of panties to put on your head."

"If you cooperate, Heidi Klum."

"If not...."









"Janet Reno!"

Cheers!

[F.J. Mitchell]

I just read it, Kelly, and it makes me so mad I could spit.

Rules of war? What could possible be more asinine? If war could be waged within rules of engagement with all sides obeying the referees or umpires and accepting and learning from the penalties for foul calls;why the hell would we have a war in the first place?

Rules of engagement, Geneva conventions etc., have never been respected by anyone on earth except the USA and has never spared our troops one iota of pain and suffering dished out by the enemy, but has caused too many of America's finest to be prosecuted (persecuted?) by our own government for alleged violations.

We can't afford to lose this war against brainless,merciless, and brutal Muslim Nazis, but we can't win it without giving them back in spades, every thing they give us. And/or doing unto them before they do unto us!

[Neoliberalnot]

Lawyers and politicians will lose a war every time. You don't call a garbage collector to rewire your house either. Vietnam all over again, meaning the liberals are having their way in running the war to ensure our loss.

[dalight]

No. The problem is Iran. They do not want peace and we aren't willing to bring the fight to them yet.. so you have a traditional insurgency propped up by a foreign government.

In a rational world, the US would declare Iran a combatant enemy power if they provide material support to the insurgents and then cross the frontier. This would end the insurgency in Iraq. As well as Hezbollah, and Syria's current regime.

The reason this hasn't happened is that the Iranians have a very powerful capable ally in the US called the American Democrat party and the likes of Joe Wilson, the New York Times and such who have harassed and lied about the war, its aims and its progress continuously since Baghdad fell.

[No more Demofascists]

It is astounding that our politicians NEVER learn that they should not interfere when they commit troops to a combat zone. This sounds for all the world like the same ridiculous ROE that we were forced to endure in Beirut in 1983! The Reagan Administration was so afraid of appearing like warmongerers to the rest of the world that they imposed the "Peacekeeper" role to the most absurd extreme. No one could be engaged unless they were in the open act of engaging you first and then your response could not outweigh their method, if they were hitting you with small arms you could only respond with small arms, and that response first had to be DOD approved!

If they are going to tie the hands of this generation too then they need to start the withdrawel now because when you get targeted enough and don't respond the insurgency is only emboldened and their provocations will only escalate. I hate to see the Bush administration caving to world opinion when it comes to our folks in a combat zone. If they aren't allowed to do their jobs, let alone protect themselves then it is time to leave.

Semper Fidelis

[fatrat]

I wholeheartedly agree. We are good at killing people and breaking things. we cannot build nations. If a nation needs taking down we should do it as forcefully as is required to complete the job quickly and get out. Let that nation re-build itself and if it is non-threatening to other nations, fine. but if it threatens other countries and becomes a danger to us, take it down again. Eventually, that nation will become non-threatening, i think.

[pierrem15]

The administration should have realized from the beginning that we would never win the propaganda war because the American press since Vietnam is always working for the enemy.

Bad press should simply be ignored or countered with well-founded blistering attacks on the accuracy and loyalty of the media.

Instead, we weaken our troops and are slowly but inevitably allowing the press-arm of the Islamofascists to define the battlefield in terms that will force us to lose.

Pathetic.

[JasonC]

Um, if you tell the newshounds to blow it out their kisser and just don't play, no problem from either.

[ma bell]

I was born at Parris Island during "Big Al, the tankes pal" CMC years. To be technically correct, Gen PX Kelley was CMC whle I was at boot camp, but Gen Al took over the following year. Immediate differance with us going to the field, training training training instead of "tank inspections, inventory" etc...

[No more Demofascists]

"If the dumb (and increasingly corrupt) "Washington" Marine Corps finally triumphs over the smart, Warfighting Marine Corps, in the end both will disappear. And that will be a shame, because the smart Marine Corps, Al Gray’s Marine Corps, really had something going. It was on its way to becoming the first American Third Generation armed service."

Truer words were never spoken.....We need Al Gray back in the driver seat, he would correct these politico-generals!

Semper Fidelis

[Taxman]

I dearly hope and pray that the United States will never again cut and run FRom any field of combat.

A reasonable person would think that after so many cut and run debacles since WW II, we would have learned our lesson.

At some point, we are going to have to draw a line in the sand and make a stand. Now is a good a time as any, and Iraq and Afganistan and the Worldwide War on Terror are damn fine places to start!

Western Civilization's collective motto in regard to the War against IslamoFacism should be, nay, BETTER BE! MUST BE! "Whatever it takes!"

The United States and its Western Civilization allies are in a war to the death. I shudder to think what would happen if the IslamoFacists prevail.

God help us if the Chair Warmers and REMFs have their way, and continue to undermine the way our military men and women are "allowed" to make war.

[Taxman]

We are going to kill "insurgent central command!"