Vise grips are much better then pliers, just lock'm and forget about them.
Posted on 08/18/2006 3:55:09 AM PDT by Liz
There is nothing like the brain of a person that is choked with the vines of moral equivalence. Like I said, our doctrine has liberated hundreds of millions of people in the last century. That of bin Laden seeks to enslave minds and people. If you cannot grasp the difference and feel compelled to ask what makes us better than others, you have real issues comprehending the real world.
Oh, and comparing the "conservatism" of bin Laden to American conservatism is absurd. If anything, what you consider to be American conservatives are actually classical liberals, who believe in the rights of men, not in the repression of systems such as Islam. Posts such as yours show just how inoperable the term "conservative" has become by the efforts of liberals to use it to encompass American right-wingers, Russian Stalinists and Islamists.
But there is no good reason to care. Put me in with the "behind the ear with a .22" crowd.
How do you feel about what's going on in the Sudan? Sri Lanka? Nepal?
Really bad. What are your ideas to solve things?
Would you like America to attack Iran?
Not particulary but it is certainly something that can't be removed from the table and might have to be done.
Sounds like the people who run our colleges and academic institutions-- speech codes, punishing dissenters etc.
I like that turn of phrase.
Like I said, our doctrine has liberated hundreds of millions of people in the last century.
And that is not what you said. What you said was: "We've liberated more people from tyranny than all other nations throughout recorded history." And I simply asked for a list to make comparisons. If you could prove that to me, I will accept that point and proudly tell it to everyone that I know.
If you cannot grasp the difference and feel compelled to ask what makes us better than others, you have real issues comprehending the real world.
I've got news for you...I comprehend the real world far better than most people ever could imagine. I've lived in 19 countries, had Hizballah rockets fall a few k's away from where I was living, been witness to civil wars in Africa (Sierra Leone and the Sudan), was in Gujarat the day after the most recent ethnic riots ended there and saw countless bodies stacked in the streets, some still on fire. Recently I turned down a job to go to Baghdad because I'm getting to old to be running around like that in hotspots. Don't you ever accuse me of not understanding the real world, because I've seen it about as real as it will ever get.
As for comparing the "conservatism" of bin Laden to American conservatives, I didn't. I just attacked the word, the same way that the word "liberal" is attacked and demonized so often.
There is no comparison. Can you name a single country that has come even close?
...I comprehend the real world far better than most people ever could imagine.
You could have fooled me. All that world travelling and no sane lessons learned.
Don't you ever accuse me of not understanding the real world, because I've seen it about as real as it will ever get.
I'll accuse you of such all I friggin' want. For ANYONE to waffle about this country's moral superiority shows they went to school but didn't pay attention.
More moral equivalence, eh? In the case of American liberals, they deserve all the demonization they receive. After all, just look at reaction of liberals to the recent events in Lebanon. When confronted with massive media manipulation in Lebanon, they downplay it. When confronted with the war crimes of Hiz staging attacks from civilian areas in a deliberate attempt to provoke Israeli represials for propaganda value, they can only bleat about proportionality. When informed of UN duplicity, their faith in that disfuncitonal organization is unwavered. When presented quotes from HIz and Iran that they seek the destruction of Israel in particular and Jews in general, they simply pretend that the speakers really didn't mean that. When asked to learn from history, they just re-write it to provide the lessons they wish to have, not the lessons they need to have.
Demonize you? You denigrate yourself with your words and your actions and your inability to make clear moral distinctions.
There is no comparison. Can you name a single country that has come even close?
Well, the burden of proof is actually on your shoulders, as you're the one who made the claim about "all other nations throughout recorded history." Like I said, if you can show me a substantive list of all nations throughout time and their record on liberating people from oppressors, I will gladly and proudly accept and proclaim this fact. But, that's such a grandiose statement that I just can't buy it at face value.
You could have fooled me. All that world travelling and no sane lessons learned.
Such bold powers of logic you have. Tell me, what "sane" lessons should I have learned? What "sane" lessons have you learned over your presumably widely travelled existence? What I know is that people everywhere are downright nasty, and people in power tend to exploit that, no matter what side of the line they are on.
I'll accuse you of such all I friggin' want. For ANYONE to waffle about this country's moral superiority shows they went to school but didn't pay attention.
And it sounds to me like someone went to school and accepted everything they were told without ever asking questions. But, then again, it is your right to accuse me all you want.
Start low, work your way up. Reload as necessary.
Yep, you're a liberal. What is obvious to most must be quantified to you. How many did Britain liberate? Russia? Germany? The Roman Empire? The Mongols?
Those countries sought empire.
Now, who did we liberate? Western Europe. Japan. Eastern Europe. Afghanistan. Iraq. Just the last two countries are a major accomplishment.
And it sounds to me like someone went to school and accepted everything they were told without ever asking questions.
It sounds to me like your education was a collossal waste of time and money.
And true to form, the moral equivalence shot. You cannot state the truth without including such - another hallmark of liberals.
Also their reforms in India were more liberating than not.
Secondly, how did we "liberate" Japan? The people there loved their style of government. We forced a constitution on them begrudgingly, and while they have done exceptionally well by it, we did not "liberate" them from a tyrant that the people hated. Oh no. They were all more than willing to die for their god-emperor.
Which brings me to the point of Rome. Pretty forward thinking of them allow people to keep their religions instead of forcing conversion, don't you think? And what about bringing aqueducts and sewage and all sorts of other stuff to the people. A lot of people might have welcomed that change. You're absolutely right when you said they wanted empire, but do you really think that we're not interested in economic empire? That's the only difference...we don't want to hold the territory, because we're still making our cash.
As for the Mongols, they were nomads. They didn't want empire, they wanted conquest and pillaging. No one was safe in their path. I'm guessing you've done some reading up on them...fascinating peoples, weren't they?
So, we've liberated Afghanistan? Nevermind the fact that the Taliban is having a massive resurgence and the only place that is technically free is Kabul...outside of there, the place is still pretty much the same as it was under the Taliban. No one has ever taken Afghanistan and held it secure, no one in all of history. Not even the Taliban were able to do that, which is why we had our allies in the Northern Alliance ready to fight.
But thankfully we did liberate Iraq...I mean, there's nothing going wrong there today, is there? Don't get me wrong on this point, though (though I'm guessing you'll selectively read) I hated Saddam Hussein just as much as anyone else, and I'll be glad when they send him to the firing squad. The man was scum, plain and simple. I mean, we've basically put a theocracy in power there...wasn't the whole point to give them a democracy? The State Department is openly talking about "alternative forms of governance" for Iraq as opposed to democracy. That's not a succcess.
It sounds to me like your education was a collossal waste of time and money
Actually, I make a whole lot of money doing my work, and I couldn't be happier.
Welcome to Post-Judeo-Christian America.
"Without G-d, all things are possible"...
Oh please everyone knows you can cure pedophiles with a .22 for a real cure you need a baseball bat and a soldering iron.
Ping to number 38. You are being replied to and have no other way of knowing it.
LOLOL! Let's not forget a pair of pliers, too!
How about an actual case of the President's election team admitting to doing it and apologizing? Is that a "moral equivalence" argument?
And exactly how again did we end up going down this route on a topic about some sicko who needs to be castrated without anasthetic before being killed? :-)
(I'm not a bad guy, and I don't always vote liberal, you know...just tend to most of the time. Hell, I voted for Bush in 2000 'cause I thought Gore was a robot.)
Vise grips are much better then pliers, just lock'm and forget about them.
Not to flame you...but I am surprised that you registered and that you first comments were about this pedophile story...not that I'm inferring anything. But welcome!
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