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Sites under review for telescope that could detect alien TV
World Science ^ | July 10, 2006

Posted on 08/14/2006 2:08:23 PM PDT by Sopater

Astronomers are working to choose a site for a giant telescope that could read TV or radio signals from alien civilizations.

Artist's concept of collecting dishes for the Square Kilometer Array. The instrument (see www.skatelescope.org)  is so named because it would have radiation-collecting surfaces totalling a square kilometer (about 1/3 square mile.) (Image © Xilostudios)

The instrument, called the Square Kilometer Array or SKA, would be the world’s most powerful radio telescope and would begin operation by 2020, if all goes according to plan.

Radio telescopes are devices that pick up radio waves, a type of light radiation that has less energy than visible light but that can provide valuable information on cosmic structures.

The SKA, designed to be 50 times as powerful as existing radio telescopes, would be deployed on an array of scientific projects, including studying the formation and evolution of stars and galaxies.

The telescope, planned since the early 1990s as a collaboration of more than 30 research institutions in 15 countries, would also be capable of looking for distant civilizations—including by picking up their TV or radio transmissions. (World Science, Dec. 29, 2004).

Such a finding “would provide immediate and direct evidence of life elsewhere in the Universe,” project astronomers said in a presentation at a conference of the International Society for Optical Engineering in Orlando, Fla. in May. The telescope would for the first time “enable searches for unintentional emissions or ‘leakage’ at power levels comparable to that of terrestrial TV transmitters.”

Such a search would have distinct limitations, to be sure.

For one, the instrument might not be able to actually decode the transmissions. Thus we couldn’t necessarily eavesdrop on the latest episode of little green men’s reality shows, if any such thing exists, scientists say. However, we might get a general idea that some sort of TV transmission was occurring, and based on that finding build an even stronger telescope to read it.

Moreover, any programs we did receive would be several years out of date, because of the delay in light transmission to Earth.

Scientists also aren’t sure how to recognize such signals, if they do turn up. The hope is that they would feature organized patterns suggestive of intelligence, and not attributable to any known celestial sources.

Only the handful of stars closest to Earth would be within reach of the instrument’s TV-detection capacity, scientists estimate, although it could also detect radar signals at a much greater range.

Argentina, Australia, China and South Africa have submitted proposals to host the telescope, estimated to cost $1 billion. The number of possible sites will likely be narrowed down further next month, said Yervant Terzian of Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., chairman of the consortium’s Site Evaluation Working Group and co-author of the presentation in Orlando.

By the end of August, the project’s steering committee will draw up a short list of acceptable sites that could contain anywhere from one to all four of the proposed locations, Terzian wrote in an email.

A final site decision will take up to two more years, and will also depend on the governments of the countries involved in the project, Terzian added. These governments are also the hoped-for source of SKA funding.

U.S. astronomers have been interested in hosting the telescope but, disappointingly, had to withdraw from the site competition “because of lack of funding to prepare a good proposal,” Terzian wrote in the email.

Planners say the site choice will be based on considerations including construction costs, climate, and political environment, as well as which site offers the best possibilities to configure the telescope.

Researchers have also been refining the telescope design in the past year.

Like many other radio telescopes, the SKA would be technically not a single telescope but an array of them working in unison. Radio telescopes must be much larger than optical ones because the low energy of radio waves means that many more of them must be picked up to detect a signal. Rather than having mirrors or lenses to gather light, as with traditional telescopes, radio telescopes use parabolic dishes to collect the radiation.

SKA would consist of collecting dishes and other types of radiation-gathering instruments spread over 3,000 km (1,900 miles), although half of the collecting surface would be concentrated within an area 5 km (3 miles) wide.

The telescope also breaks with tradition in that its most complex aspect will be not the light-gathering equipment, but “the data transmission and central processing facility,” said the presentation by Terzian and Joseph Lazio of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.

Other missions of the telescope would be to study planet formation, and to search for signs of the first supermassive black holes and of an exotic type of radiation predicted by Einstein called gravitational waves. The instrument would also serve to study the evolution of the universe from shortly after the fog of the Big Bang explosion, believed to have originated the universe, lifted.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: callingartbell; extraterrestrial; seti; space
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

The Recording Industry Association of Andromeda won't be happy if we download their music for free. They blow up planets for stuff like that.


21 posted on 08/14/2006 2:30:49 PM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sopater

I don't want to watch alien porn or soap operas though


22 posted on 08/14/2006 2:31:23 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: SunkenCiv


23 posted on 08/14/2006 2:32:49 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: GeronL
I wonder what kind of prizes they give away on their daytime game shows.

-PJ

24 posted on 08/14/2006 2:32:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Sopater

They're assuming any advanced life forms elsewhere in the galaxy would even have senses along the same lines as our own. And, even if they do, the likelihood of "television" as we understand it would be somewhat remote.


25 posted on 08/14/2006 2:33:45 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sopater
The upside: learning we are not alone.
The downside: There programming is just as bad as ours... and in reruns too.
26 posted on 08/14/2006 2:33:58 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: linear
I wonder if the aliens have anything worth watching...

We don't have much ourselves. Space aliens would probably have even less of interest to earth lifeforms.

27 posted on 08/14/2006 2:36:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Sopater
telescope that could detect alien TV

I thought this is how we got MTV.

28 posted on 08/14/2006 2:37:15 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Sopater

"This is ancient earths most foolsh program... why doesnt Ross, the large one, simply eat the others?"


29 posted on 08/14/2006 2:37:45 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: Brilliant
Actually, this would be for listening for alien TV, not for our broadcasts. If some alien civilization had invented TV X years ago (just say), then their signals would have traveled X lightyears by now, so we would just now be able to see their programming that they were broadcasting X years ago. If they were only Y lightyears away and X>Y, then we would see whatever they were broadcasting Y years ago. If Y>X, then we would not be able to detect any signals from alien planets until Y years had passed since they began broadcasting.

Still a huge waste of money in my opinion since it is highly unlikely that there is life anywhere else in the universe.
30 posted on 08/14/2006 2:38:26 PM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater
Perfect site: Korolev crater, lunar far side, pretty much right on the equator.

It would be totally shielded from the crap we constantly spew out in these frequencies by the entire bulk of the Moon.
31 posted on 08/14/2006 2:40:06 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: ketelone
"This is ancient earths most foolsh program... why doesnt Ross, the large one, simply eat the others?"

"Perhaps, they're saving that for sweeps.".

32 posted on 08/14/2006 2:41:06 PM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Political Junkie Too
asteroids?

I wonder if they have Pink Human Cereal and Chocolate Human Cereal?

33 posted on 08/14/2006 2:41:19 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: Sopater

'Earth'

"A planet doesn't explode of itself," said drily
The Martian astronomer, gazing off into the air --
"That they were able to do it is proof that highly
Intelligent beings must have been living there."

-- John Hall Wheelock


34 posted on 08/14/2006 2:41:46 PM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: linear
The "XYZ" Files

"I'm telling you Sculley. It had light brown skin and this fuzz on its really small head and..."

35 posted on 08/14/2006 2:44:36 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: 6SJ7
The upside: learning we are not alone.
The downside: There programming is just as bad as ours... and in reruns too.


The upside: learning that we are alone.
The downside: It will be after many more billions of $ are spent, and long after we have left this world before anyone realizes this.
36 posted on 08/14/2006 2:45:11 PM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: GeronL
And a year's supply of Turtle Wax to keep their rockets looking shiny and new.

-PJ

37 posted on 08/14/2006 2:45:16 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Sopater

"alien TV"

Keith Olberdork is already available here, how much more alien TV do we really need?


38 posted on 08/14/2006 2:47:00 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Mainstream Journalism)
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To: Sopater
"When you hear from them tell them I've lost my transponder and have been waiting forever for them to come pick my ass up!"

"Tell 'em Tom Cruise is a little bitch!"

39 posted on 08/14/2006 2:47:56 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: nmh
The telescope, planned since the early 1990s as a collaboration of more than 30 research institutions in 15 countries, would also be capable of looking for distant civilizations—including by picking up their TV or radio transmissions.

Our tax dollars probably will fund the bulk of this insanity. Hope their TV has less advertising than we do.

40 posted on 08/14/2006 2:49:25 PM PDT by Starboard
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