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Security Council OKs Mideast Peace Deal
My Way ^ | 9/11/2006 | By NICK WADHAMS

Posted on 08/11/2006 7:33:25 PM PDT by garbageseeker

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To: garbageseeker

And this "deal" is supposed to do what, exactly? Hezbollah essentially runs Lebanon, so instead of Hezzie "irregulars" firing rockets at Israel and conducting cross-border raids into Israel under UN protection, it will be "Lebaneze" regulars firing said rockets and conducting said cross-border raids.


21 posted on 08/11/2006 8:29:39 PM PDT by steveegg (Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
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To: Dog Gone
The UN actually served its purpose during the Korea conflict and the Suez crisis.

It did serve its purpose during the Korean War only while the Soviet Union was busy holding its breath because Red China wasn't there as a second Communist veto. I don't seem to recall the UN being much of a success in the Suez (unless you count 11 years between wars a success).

22 posted on 08/11/2006 8:32:18 PM PDT by steveegg (Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
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To: garbageseeker
Amended the end of the original post (shouldn't do this while tired :-) -
...so instead of Hezzie "irregulars" firing rockets at Israel and conducting cross-border raids into Israel under passive UN protection, it will be "Lebaneze" regulars firing said rockets and conducting said cross-border raids under active UN protection.

23 posted on 08/11/2006 8:35:32 PM PDT by steveegg (Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
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To: Dog Gone
The UN actually served its purpose during the Korea conflict and the Suez crisis.

Half a century later, Korea is still split into two nations, one side lead by a drooling idiot that threatens all of his neighbors. Hard to identify that as a success.
24 posted on 08/11/2006 8:36:16 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: garbageseeker
Peace is not necessarily all it is cracked up to be.

I guess that everybody wants peace in the Middle East, right? Everybody would be minding their own business and making tie dyed tee shirts and growing organic squash perhaps? Let’s take a moment to consider just what sets of circumstances it would take to bring about just that sort of a situation.

First of all Israel has got to go. Its presence is just intolerable to the Arabs who are the majority in the area. Beyond that all the Jew must leave, along with any Christians who object to permanent second class status in the various countries there. Now I don’t pretend to know where to send the Jews. Europe hasn’t had the best history dealing with Jews, besides the Ummah is busy adsorbing all of Europe, as certainly is their right. Such is also the case with the Americas, East Asia, Australia, and so on to include the world except perhaps Greenland and Antarctica. If the objections of the Environmentalist can be met, I am sure the Israelis will adjust to the Cold.

Of course this elimination of the Jews won’t go all the way to establishing peace in the region; there is the question of the Great Satan and the little Satan’s. They must withdraw totally from the region and turn their business enterprises over to the locals. In addition, America would need to pay reparations to just about everyone for its support of Israel, invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the exploitation of the natural resources of the region.

That would get us close to peace except for the almost 1400 year conflict between the Shia and the Sunni. One or the other has got to go and I doubt they would agree to flipping coins. The only reasonable solution here is to allow Iran to continue developing their nuclear weapons and have the Pakistanis and Iranians duel. Not a very peaceful method but more likely than other techniques to work.

This would get us pretty close to peace except for the numerous territorial claims and border conflicts. The Turks want to kill the Kurds and the Iraqis want to kill the Kuwaitis and so on. Now Iran having the bomb might just solve these conflicts in a final manner.

There we have Peace in the Middle East! The world will then have time to address the conflicts in India, Southeast Asia, the Philippines, Central Asia, Georgia, the Balkans and so on.

25 posted on 08/11/2006 8:36:52 PM PDT by JimSEA ( "The purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis." Spock)
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To: steveegg

No, really read the history of the Suez Canal crisis in the mid 50s. It's fascinating, and it's where the US used the UN to prevent a Middle East war involving Britain, France, Israel, and Egypt, at a minimum.

It's the last time we actively opposed Israel and Great Britain and it change the western world forever.


26 posted on 08/11/2006 8:44:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

No he has not. If he had the chance, he would endorse Nasrallah and his cause.


27 posted on 08/11/2006 8:48:55 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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To: steveegg

Its all right and forgiven. I have written things while half-asleep.


28 posted on 08/11/2006 8:50:04 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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To: steveegg
Hezbollah essentially runs Lebanon, so instead of Hezzie "irregulars" firing rockets at Israel and conducting cross-border raids into Israel under UN protection, it will be "Lebaneze" regulars firing said rockets and conducting said cross-border raids.

That is the problem. The U.S. wanted UN troops under Chapter 6 of the UN charter. I believe under Chapter 6, the UN troops are authorized to fire. But instead, the U.S. had to accept the regular UN troops without any arms. Somebody please correct me if that is wrong. I cannot believe that Israel accepted that deal.
29 posted on 08/11/2006 8:53:42 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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To: garbageseeker
Could it be...?

I've been paying attention to all this and even with everything I've learned over the past five years, I find I still don't know anything about that Mideast.

They live so differently from Americans. And frankly I think that's 90% of the communication problems from this administration. We're left out here to figure it out for ourselves and sometimes it's confusing.

Two months ago all I knew about Hezbollah was that they were a terrorist group on America's terror list. All of a sudden what is essentially a gang is topic of the day across the air waves and blogosphere. Two months ago I thought Lebanon was already a democracy what with that Cedar revolution and everything.

I'm also being told that Syria and Iran are behind Hezbollah from such fine pundits as Chris Matthews et al, and I ponder, well if everyone knows this did our people at the CIA, FBI, alphabet, alphabet, know this?

Seems like the only people that didn't know this was the American people. See, Americans don't have gangs from Canada coming down to run states like, say, Delaware.

I've watched, mesmerized, as Anderson Cooper shows a map of southern Lebanon with icons of some sort for known Hezbollah posts in some town near that river the Israelis want to get to. He also shows another icon for known UNIFIL locales. It's so baffling for one such as I, so infused with an abundance of common sense, to comprehend a town where there are U.N. jerks sitting around doing nothing, houses with missiles inside and this gang of Crypts waging wars and picking up the trash.

See, Americans just don't live like this. Yet Anderson Cooper and the local Blogger all have maps of where Hezbollah is and all manner of logistical stuff that darn, you'd think I'd only have to look up "Hezbollah Missile Sites" on Google.

Frankly, from what Mr. Cooper showed me, I considered the capture of that town to be near impossible. Ground forces would have to go in and search house by house. The schools even have missiles under them I understand. Again, preaching to the Free Republic choir, Americans do not live like this.

What HAS to be done, and know now I am about the fartherest thing from a military strategist as anyone on the planet, is Israel, OR this oddball U.N. force, has to go in, evacuate every living soul from that town, set them up in a refugee camp or something, then go in and purge that town of the weaponry.

I don't see any other way but I'm a woman here and women don't normally fight wars.

So Israel, hey, Israel just cannot, it CANNOT, do this by itself. What with that vaunted world public opinion it would be a disaster for the state of Israel to do this. And their little army would take entirely too many casualties in such an operation.

I think the four weeks this war has been waged has allowed the IDF to get in southern Lebanon, get a feel for things, learn the terrain, stroke intelligence sources. Israel told America what was needed and I forthwith continue.

I think this U.N. force is going to consist of a lot of American troops. I think the U.N. was given an ultimatum...this is your chance to redeem yourself. Under the guise of a U.N. force, southern Lebanon and Hezbollah is going to be dismantled.

At least this is how I hope the manly men leading this country decided to go about it. If not, well they should have consulted me.

It's my story and I'm sticking to it.

30 posted on 08/11/2006 8:58:19 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/ Search the word "kaitlyn" on FreeRepublic for my Blog posts)
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To: garbageseeker

Ramifications (physicaly/spirtualy):
Understand that because of both Israel's and the United States complicity in this 'peace' deal - They both will be hit with heavy attacks in the very near future.
In a way; this acts as the true catalyst (Major attacks) that will facilitate the need for Israel, U.S., or both to respond with fierce military retaliation not seen since WW II
The futility in the way both Israel and America have been fighting wars as of late and with the this current peace deal; will cement the notion that both countries are weak and unable to wage war to the point of victory. Thus many of our enemies will seek to destroy us in the coming years...I truly believe this


Political ramifications:
Olmert and his party are now history...there will be a new party elected along with a new Prime Minister (Most likely Netanyahu)


31 posted on 08/11/2006 9:01:18 PM PDT by faithaxiom
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To: faithaxiom

We are on the doorsteps of the a large Middle East War that will bring new meaning to shock and awe.


32 posted on 08/11/2006 9:06:00 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Dog Gone

You baited me. I'm going to read about it. Hey, I even vaguely remember it though I was entirely too young, ahem, to make any sense of it.


33 posted on 08/11/2006 9:06:44 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/ Search the word "kaitlyn" on FreeRepublic for my Blog posts)
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To: woofie

My thoughts exactly...but then again with French peacekeepers is Israel really worried? The biggest problem may be what to do with all the white flags.


34 posted on 08/11/2006 9:15:44 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: garbageseeker
That inaction has "badly shaken the world's faith in its authority and integrity," he said.

Nope. Not possible.

35 posted on 08/11/2006 9:16:37 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
He said that Lebanon knows now what will happen again if they do not tame Hezbollah.

Yes, they had better watch out. If they do it again, Israel will engage in four weeks of intense but ineffective action at great cost in lives and then give up.

36 posted on 08/11/2006 9:20:02 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: MindBender26; All
Please educate me re: BIOYAC. I'm guessing "Bring It On You A? C?"??

I tried to google the acronym with no luck, I'm guessing this is a Freeper term...

37 posted on 08/11/2006 9:23:34 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Fishtalk
Frankly, from what Mr. Cooper showed me, I considered the capture of that town to be near impossible.

First, never get your military lessons from Anderson Cooper, CNN or any of the MSM. If their had their way, there will be no wars and we will be living under a Caliphate of communist dictator. Nor is Chris Matthews is a fine newscaster. They are all part of the MSM and the MSM is inhabited by a bunch of commie pinkos. If I was an Israeli government member, Anderson Cooper and the rest of the MSM would be doing is broadcast in Jerusalem. They had no business to be there at the front.If they want to be at the front, they must carry a rifle and fight with the soldiers. You can capture a town and make sure that it citizens are disarmed. People have been taking towns since the dawn of civilization and secure it. The Israelis do it the proper way and the UN does it all wrong. If I had my way, I would burn the town to the ground to secure it.

think this U.N. force is going to consist of a lot of American troops. I think the U.N. was given an ultimatum...this is your chance to redeem yourself. Under the guise of a U.N. force, southern Lebanon and Hezbollah is going to be dismantled

First, the UN does not clear towns away just to look for weapons. They cannot do that under their charter. They are bunch of windowdressers that wear a colorful uniforms and allow terrorists to flourish. The last time Americans was in Lebanon, Hezbollah killed 230 Americans when a homocide bomber blew up the Marine barracks. I do not think with Iraq and the Beirut incident, Americans would not a repeat of that. Hezbollah will not be disarmed with a UN force and with Lebanese troops. If you think that you need to get your head out of the sand. The only way to disarm Hezbollah is to wipe Hezbollah to the ground.
38 posted on 08/11/2006 9:27:10 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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39 posted on 08/11/2006 9:29:58 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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To: Fishtalk

If your mesmerized by Anderson Cooper there is something wrong with you


40 posted on 08/11/2006 9:33:17 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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