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Greenland Ice Sheet is Melting Faster, Study Says
National Geographic ^ | 08/10/2006 | John Roach

Posted on 08/11/2006 10:49:56 AM PDT by cogitator

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To: Ancesthntr

Actually, there were plenty of glaciers in Viking times -- as well as significantly more green land than today.

The main reason for the name is that Eric the Red was a quintessential real-estate promoter. He wanted settlers, and he figured "Greenland" would sound good to people living in "Iceland". In a later age, he might have made a bundle selling Florida swamp land.


41 posted on 08/11/2006 11:12:37 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: cogitator
I think global warming is accelerating because we aren't allowed to burn leaves outdoors anymore. (We're not allowed to burn paper trash outdoors in trash burners any more either, like we did when I was a kid)

Stop placing leaves in plastic bags. Free the leaves!!!

42 posted on 08/11/2006 11:14:43 AM PDT by syriacus (A vote 4 Lamont is a vote 4 the right of abusive men to kill women + children, here + abroad.)
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To: cogitator
Oceans rise, Washington D.C. is flooded and abandoned...

What's the problem here?

43 posted on 08/11/2006 11:15:16 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: RexBeach
Greenland used to be green!

I'm not so sure. I remember reading in one of the Sagas that Leif Eriksson decided to call it Greenland because his father Erik hinn Rathi found that the name "Iceland" discouraged settlers. Greenland was warmer in those days, certainly, but not warmer or greener than Norway.

44 posted on 08/11/2006 11:16:26 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Brad from Tennessee
If you aren't already familiar with this website--World Climate Report--they will probably eventually do a critique of this study

Probably; they've been pretty busy trying to keep up.

45 posted on 08/11/2006 11:16:47 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Yarrr!!

Just Yarrrrr!


46 posted on 08/11/2006 11:17:05 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: cogitator

I have personally done gravity measurements. Establishing a bias free set of measurements is exceedingly difficult.


47 posted on 08/11/2006 11:19:04 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: RexBeach; Lonesome in Massachussets

Just read "Collapse" by jared Diamond and you can learn everything you wanted to know about Greenland and climate change.

And yes gentlement the ice sheet melting is very bad news.


49 posted on 08/11/2006 11:21:01 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: cogitator

This is very bad news. You inability to grasp it only shows your ignorance of the subject.


50 posted on 08/11/2006 11:21:33 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: pfony1

ping


51 posted on 08/11/2006 11:22:02 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: cogitator
"Significant melting has a significant impact on sea level rise . . ."

. . . the shrinking ice sheet now contributes about 0.02 inch (0.5 millimeter) . . .

When it comes to significances I reckon it's all relative.

52 posted on 08/11/2006 11:22:47 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

60 cu miles out of 600,000 is very bad news?


53 posted on 08/11/2006 11:25:42 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: cogitator
And Greenland will return the warm state it had between 900 to 1400 AD.
54 posted on 08/11/2006 11:26:21 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I'm agnostic on ice sheet melting, until I see where the trends are in another hundred years.

Neither the time series data (temperature record) or physics are very compelling right now.


55 posted on 08/11/2006 11:27:10 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Altair333

Key lines from the article:

"Any tiny change in the distance can be used to infer the surface mass change,"

Observation: How accurately can the data really be trusted based on "inference" from data?

Next, it says, "The Greenland ice sheet is melting three times faster today than it was five years ago, according to a new study." and then later says "Chen and his University of Texas colleagues analyzed the gravity measurements over Greenland between April 2002 and November 2005".

Now, I'm not a mathematition by trade, but that suggests a maximum of roughly 3.5 years, not five.

Then, it says, "GRACE has only been orbiting Earth for three and a half years, not long enough to determine if the increase in melting is due to global warming or natural variability, the University of Texas's Chen says."

In other words, we just started using this stuff and we don't know how to interpret the data yet or even if it is accurate. No story here - yet.

And this: "History and physics and recent observations tie warming to ice shrinkage,"

Someone needs to post that picture of "Captain Obvious" here.

And the last line of the article: "projections of future climate change indicate continued warming over Greenland if greenhouse gas emissions remain unchecked".

This is a total logical leap totally unrelated to the article. Nowhere does the data suggest anything about greenhouse gasses.

Oh, and I save the best for last: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/07/ice_sheets_thickening/


56 posted on 08/11/2006 11:27:28 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

That does it! No sleep for me tonight!


57 posted on 08/11/2006 11:27:41 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthur)
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To: palmer

It is the speed of melting. Is that someting that you do not get?

Also, the melting goes directly into the lovely heat transfer mechanism we call the Gulf Stream. A major disruption of which (lot of cold low salinity water) would have major implications for the European economy. Although you may not care about that, you should, because it would majorly disrupt the gloabl economy.


58 posted on 08/11/2006 11:28:32 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
During the medieval warm period (10th-13th century) Greenland was warm enough to grow crops, as the settlers did. Yes it was green. But then it returned to normal temperatures and the settlers all starved.

So the question is what caused that global warming?

Answer: The sun! who's temperature is not constant.

59 posted on 08/11/2006 11:28:55 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: Voltage

Only very near the coast on the very south.


60 posted on 08/11/2006 11:29:52 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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