Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
We also "allowed" German and Japanese Americans to fight and die for America despite being placed in internment camps. Loyalty was not an issue in this case.
It turns to have not been necessary, but was done out of an inordinate fear of the "yellow peril" and "Krauts."
Reparations were paid to the surviving Japanese-Americans by the Reagan administration because they were wronged and humiliated.
This thread is not about illegal aliens. It is about the enemy of present. We can work on the mexican invasion, when congress and the president get their act together. It wasn't Pancho Villa that brought down the world trade center.
"There are refugees from FR who gather at another website who believe all these things and will insist that everybody who doesn't believe as they do are not even Catholic."
They are still on FR now!
Great points on your posts.
The "Muslims" who are "good Americans" have ceased to be Muslims, in practice.
Anyway, we should bring a halt to Mohammedan immigration.
Separating out two to 3.6 million people "shouldn't be that hard?" See my post #40. The enemy is militant Islamic fundamentallism, not Islam.
"Can a good Muslim be a good American?"
No
You are right. It was considered necessary at the time. The Nissai Division of Japanese Americans was the highest decorated outfit in the US Army. Had the highest percentage of Congressional Medal of Honor receipients.
BUMP
I don't think anyone really believes all Muslims are evil. That is not the issue. Rather, it is that Muslim is based on illegitimate principles that inevitably, in each generation, drive some small fraction of Muslims to evil acts. In other words, Islam need not corrupt all of its members with diabolical tendencies, as long as it corrupts enough in each generation that the long-term spread of Islamic "territory" is assured. Its danger lies at its very heart: the Koran's requirements to kill the infidel, take territory by force, and never retreat one inch.
That would be going from the frying pan into the fire. We want to convert them to Christianity, ultimately.
No, but I have had Muslims try to kill me. I was in Tehran the first time our embassy was overrun on Feb 14, 1979. I almost got hit by a .30 caliber machine gun bullet. I was also in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War when we had scud attacks on Riyadh.
I have had Vietnamese try to kill me, but they weren't Muslims. What's your point?
You have it right, and the previous poster and the christmas goose appear to be one and the same.
People just keep shooting at you. Maybe if you smiled more or something...
(a joke, a joke)
I was waiting for you to chant the party mantra.
The hell you say it isn't Islam. From where is this 'radical fringe group' getting it's marching orders? Newsflash- it isn't Christian clerics reading out of the Bible. It's directly, word for word, from the Koran. The death-cult you call a religion has been on a bloody march across the planet, and throughout history, to Islamicize the world.
And before you say those words in the Koran are being 'misinterpreted'- let me ask you why then doesn't modern, 'good' Islam remove that problem by revising their 'holy book' to be clear?
Why- because those words are sacred, and to be obeyed unchanged, of course!
You can't have it both ways. The basic teachings of Islam, and the Koran itself, are the literal word of their 'god' and to be worshipped and obeyed or not. If they are- then the 'radicals' are obeying just fine, and Islam IS the problem.
If they are not,and the sweet, innocent,tolerant Muslims are being misunderstood- and let them re-interpret their 12th century barbarian handbook to reflect their new,cuddly nature.
Islam is an evil disease just as Nazism was. The 'radicals' are their SS. They don't 'hijack' the theology, they emanate from it.
Name another 'religion' that is consistently producing terror, death and horror FROM IT'S PULPITS. With anything dangerous and destructive we look for the source if we want to stop it. ISLAM is producing these 'radicals'.
ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM and THE ENEMY.
I'll hold your coat.
Rounding up German and Japanese Americans during WWII was anathema to it too but done because it was necessary.
First of all, it wasn't necessary.
Second of all, it wasn't right. It was, in the words of President Reagan himself, "a grave wrong".
It was a shameful moment in our national history, one to be avoided and never repeated.
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