Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
You wave the flag of surrender... I do not...
I understand what you were trying to express mariabush, though I wouldn't quite have used the words you did! ;-) People are too much in a rage to insist on misinterpreting your intended meaning.
I, too, get frustrated because they are here and they are taught to lie for their religion so well that you don't know what's behind those friendly gestures and, seemingly, "All-American" attitudes. You don't know what they are really thinking. I have a reached a point that I look at a woman in a headscarf and the rage starts to boil. I know in my heart that it is so wrong to judge somebody that I know little about. My faith teaches me to love my neighbor, but this "neighbor" goes to a mosque where his/her children are being taught that everything good is bad and must be destroyed. They blindly follow their false prophet and false god and don't condemn those who kill in his name. They adhere to a law that is contrary to American law and everything we believe. They think people should change for THEM and their "religion". Yes, my anger causes me to think some not-so-nice thoughts about these people - especially since the kidnapping, torture and mutilation of two our brave soldiers. I will never forget that - NEVER! And everytime I see a muslim I remember again. Doesn't matter if they are, seemingly, a "good American" or not!
I don't care if they want to practice their religion. But I want them to accept that we will never live under the stone-aged law they have put together for themselves. I want them to understand that if they want to live under their sharia law, then they must go back to to the middle east. I want them to understand that sharia law is THEIR law - not ours - and never will be! I want them to accept that, if they live HERE, then they had better accept that they live according to OUR laws. I can easily live in peace with them if they can accept all those things, but I will never, ever trust them.
I'm not ready or willing to abandon American ideals...you are.
Do you have proof that in every mosque children are taught to destroy everything that is good?
I can pretty much assure you that this forum, which is accessible from any place on the planet, is probably read fairly carefully with raised eyebrows.
Nope. But you know what sinkspur? I never said my anger was reasonable. I am just sick of the battle that civilization has been fighting with people of this religion and I stand by what I said. I'm sure there might be mosques where this doesn't go on, but to me it's a moot point. They aren't trying to counter the mosques where it DOES happen.
I don't think that is true. The snake-handlers, by my reconing, are extremist, but they are not trying to kill another group of people. You might say the same thing about the Hare Kristnas, Jehovas Witness, or any of a dozen other 'Religious Extremists". The religion which says go out and kill other people because they don't believe in they same religious tenents as you are the problem and that is ISLAM. I would like to see 500,000 Muslim people take to the streets and celebrate the fact that Great Britain and the USA foiled chapter 2 of another 9-11. Those would be the good muslims. They are silent, except on their web sites vowing revenge for taking that project down. This nation can no longer afford to delude itself into thinking Islam is a religion of peace.
FR's credibility on the matter of the collective guilt of all Muslims in terrorism has never been very good, and has suffered even more over the last three days.
Where were the thousands of Christians in the street disavowing Tim McVeigh in 1995?
Why do so many here insist on imputing collective guilt to all Muslims for the actions of a few?
If it's not reasonable, then it's emotional, and it plays into this collective guilt of all Muslims for the actions of a few.
And that is an unreasonable position.
Interesting phenom, anyway.
For the record, I've had many muslim guys denounce terrorism to me.
If you are not willing to fight for them, you have already abandoned them and everyone who still has them.
Needed to be repeated... Islam is a terrorist religion...
Its called the Koran....it self indicts a whole demographic....
McVey wasn't a christian....thats circular logic and it won't work here.
Oh incase you didn't get it...
I hold muslim appologists in very LOW regard
Radical Islam is a terrorist interpretation of Islam.
99.5% of Muslims no more believe they are obligated to kill non-believers than Christians believe they are bound by the prescriptions to kill in the Old Testament.
"Fully 88 percent of Saudi respondents in the study considered establishing Islamic law as the sole basis of the state to be "important" or "very important," as did 82 percent of Egyptians, 80 percent of Jordanians, 72 percent of Algerians, 62 percent of Pakistanis and 53 percent of Indonesians. Only in Bangladesh did less than a majority (45 percent) support establishing shari'a as the sole law of the land."
http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/3345.html
He said he was. Just as radical Islamists say they are observing Islam.
Oh incase you didn't get it...
I hold muslim appologists in very LOW regard
I don't give a damn what you think, bub. You are not going to drag this website into your bigoted gutter if I have anything to say about it.
Some Irish Catholics want to blow up Protestants. They don't represent my thinking, nor that of most Catholics.
Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani has contended that 80 percent of American mosques are controlled by extremists.
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