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Can a good Muslim be a good American?
A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith

I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.


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KEYWORDS: crushislam; embarrassingthread; fakeatheist; islam; islamicfascists; islamicnazis; islamisevil; muslim; muslims; peace; rop; trop; war; wot
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To: Michael Goldsberry

He's not kidding you.
He's playing with you.


I, OTOH, am watching Team America.

:-)


741 posted on 08/12/2006 4:39:14 PM PDT by fanfan (The MSM has no clothes.)
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To: EdReform
Dr. Ali Sina did not cite any verses, and he did not provide background information.
742 posted on 08/12/2006 4:41:31 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: Michael Goldsberry
Thanks, I did not have adequate knowledge about the history of the Dome of the Rock. In fact, I still don't, so I'll probably have to do some history reading.
743 posted on 08/12/2006 4:41:38 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
No Christian worships the muslim god. Christians worship the God who is the Father of Jesus Christ. muslims worship a non-existant entity who it is said had a prophet named muhammed. They are not the same God, not even close.
744 posted on 08/12/2006 4:43:25 PM PDT by Spiff (Death before Dhimmitude)
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To: Founding Father

Political Correct-ness will eventually get more Americans killed.....just look at England.

The RIGHT thing to do is ship them all back to SA....but...it will never happen, the ACLU would have a fit and tie the attempt up in court for years.

So eventually, more Americans will die....and eventually some americans will take the law into their own hands.

Of course the ACLU will have taken all our weapons from us....so we will be England 2.


745 posted on 08/12/2006 4:44:39 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
all I want to show is that Allah is merely the term for the God of Abraham in another language.

That is our disagreement.

Which is it? Do they worship the same God you do or not?

All other Christians worldwide worship the same God as I do. His name is Jesus.

746 posted on 08/12/2006 4:48:26 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim

Give it up. You ain't gonna win this one...


747 posted on 08/12/2006 4:50:07 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim

Allah is a figment of Mohammed's imagination...the Bible clearly states that if anything is added to it...(The Last Chapter of Revelations) then the curses in that book will be added to the one who did the addition....which mohammed did 600 years after our Lords death on the Cross.

Satan is a liar...and he did a great job with Islam...soon all those who bought into this big lie will stand before the True God and realize they blew it.

Eternally.


748 posted on 08/12/2006 4:50:40 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
Dome of the Rock. In fact, I still don't, so I'll probably have to do some history reading.

Please allow me to suggest 1 Kings.

749 posted on 08/12/2006 5:01:38 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: kabar

Watch 'em. Closely.


750 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:29 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Abd al-Rahiim

God in his wisdom is using Islam to fullfill last day prophecy....which clearly revolves around Israel...(Matt 24)

He even uses evil to carry out His Purposes.

But the Koran and the Bible were not authored by the same God or Person...the differences point out that God is NOT ALLAH.


751 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:45 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Michael Goldsberry
Here's a little more information...

'Allah' was the Moon God worshipped by many Arabic tribes

Allāh is the most precious name of God


Information from wikipedia.

So Allah is the NAME of the Islamic god. So our good friend is lying when he says Allah means god. God is a title, Allah is a proper name.

Christians do not worship the same god as Muslims.
752 posted on 08/12/2006 5:07:16 PM PDT by dmanLA
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To: Agent Smith

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


753 posted on 08/12/2006 5:07:59 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Abd al-Rahiim

Our God is a trinity - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Is yours? Different nature, different god. No?


754 posted on 08/12/2006 5:24:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: sinkspur; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ..
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Just as there are Catholic sources which will tell you that no person who is not a Catholic can be saved.
You disagree?
755 posted on 08/12/2006 5:27:18 PM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: dmanLA; Abd al-Rahiim
I belong to a cargo cult. We worship a canned ham. Our god has the most colorful and mouth watering packaging of any deity.
756 posted on 08/12/2006 5:27:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: dmanLA
You took that out of context. That usage predates Islam.

Allah is simply Arabic and Persian for God. Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims all use the word Allah to denote the God of Abraham.

757 posted on 08/12/2006 5:30:33 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: DManA
Are you tacitly referring to me as a Muslim? In case you didn't catch it, I am not a Muslim.

Most Christians believe in one God as a Trinity. Muslims believe in one God, no Trinity. They both agree that the one God of Abraham exists. They disagree on some finer details.

758 posted on 08/12/2006 5:32:46 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: Halgr
But the Koran and the Bible were not authored by the same God or Person...the differences point out that God is NOT ALLAH.

And, what about the similarities?

I've already asked Mr. Goldsberry, and I'd like to ask you. Since you distinguish between God and Allah, what is your opinion with respect to Arab Christians and Arab Jews, who also use the word Allah? Are they referring to the God of Abraham, or are they referring to a different God?

759 posted on 08/12/2006 5:35:03 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: dmanLA
Christians do not worship the same god as Muslims.

Correct. We do not worship the Father of Lies.

760 posted on 08/12/2006 5:35:57 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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