Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
You too:
Well, y'all get happy with the notion of being beaten by Islam.
Because with people like you -- Politically Correct Gentle Handlers who haven't one-onemillionth the stones of the WWII generation -- it's inevitable.
We are not fighting Islam, but rather, militant Islamic fundamentalists, a small fringe group, which is trying to make this into a religious war and radicalize the world's 1.2 billion muslims. Your approach plays into their hands.
Because with people like you -- Politically Correct Gentle Handlers who haven't one-onemillionth the stones of the WWII generation -- it's inevitable.
Are you one of those armchair generals or chickenhawks? Maybe if you were ever shot at or saw firsthand the effects of war, you wouldn't be so sanguine. We need to fight this enemy smartly. Islam is at war with itself. More muslims are dying at the hands of muslims than anyone else.
I bet you're a Muslim.
I just don't believe that Islam can co-exist with any other religion or culture.
We'll see. I'm getting past caring, myself. I figure I'll live my life out, and the rest of y'all can enjoy the fruits of what you have so carefully nurtured: The Global Caliphate.
It has and will. Islam is not a monolith. It is practiced differently in every country. The extreme elements will have to be dealt with by not only the West but other Muslims.
We'll see. I'm getting past caring, myself. I figure I'll live my life out, and the rest of y'all can enjoy the fruits of what you have so carefully nurtured: The Global Caliphate.
The Global Caliphate. Another pipedream worthy of some spaced out junkie who has lost touch with reality.
I'll make it simple for you. The God described by Jesus in the Gospels, He of "turn the other cheek", bears no resemblence to the god described by a certain pedophile, caravan robber, and murderer
Americans do not owe anybody "the American way of life". Everyone is free to replicate America in their own country.
The primary criterion for letting people in should be "Will they enhance the American way of life, or will letting enough of them in destroy it?"
"His own kind? You've got some nerve.
Thanks God talkers like you are confined to their parents basement rather than being in power like Germany circa 1939."
What do you think will happen if an "Islamic" nuclear bomb detonates over NYC and millions are dead?
I've not advocated that anyone be killed. I've merely said that we should offer them a way to return to their ancestral homelands where they will be much better off than after a nuclear strike on the U.S. How do you think they will be treated afterwards? They can have their own Islamic theocratic regimes over there without our interference. What could be fairer?
Just look at how our American Indians were treated back in the 1800s or the Japanese during WWII. Do you actually believe that Americans are really any different or would be understanding with millions of dead Americans at the hand of Islamic terrorists? Construct an argument that says Americans will be "tolerant" toward them after such an event. I can't see it.
Many upper-level Imams of various Islamic sects have directly called for a Global Caliphate.
Perhaps you'd like to tell them that they are on drugs.
"A little ethnic cleansing, eh? Gimme a break. Besides being a pipedream that could never be implemented, your suggestion goes against everything this country stands for."
Oh please. All one has to do is to look at our own history. What do you think we did with the American Indians in the 1800s or the Japanese Americans during WWII?
When you get some time, do a "google" of the Palmer Raids during WWI. This is just a taste of what is to come if an Islamic nuclear bomb is exploded over America. It will be too late to repatriate these people back to the Middle East. The alternative to come will be much, much worse. But I have never advocated killing anyone. I just happen to believe that Islam is incompatible with western values and they have sworn and over to kill all the infidels unless we convert. Don't believe me. Believe them.
He's almost certainly better looking than me. My question on how much of an American he is, hinges on whether he's just of Muslim ethnicity, or is a committed Muslim. If the former, than he's not really a Muslim, just someone born of Pakistani ethnicity. If the latter, then his primary loyalty, whatever he lets on to you, is to Islam
A perfect description of ol' Mad Mo himself, for that is what he decreed
This perspective may be of interest. I think it is exactly correct.
Winston Churchill On Islam
A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan
They are not "fringe", they are the core. They are financed by a number of wealthy individuals in Saudi and elsewhere (see Golden Chain). The first stage must be to track down and eliminate the money-men who finance Islamic radicalism. The primary weakness of radical Islam is that people who only know how to read the Qu'ran are of low economic value. Without funding, they would be too busy trying to feed themselves to pay attention to Jihaad.
Once the funding is gone, then we can see about converting the rest to something more suited to civilized life
We put the indians in reservations (in the US) and the Japanese temporarily in internment camps [and later paid reparations] in the US. You are proposing sending 3 to 6 million American citizens to some undetermined place overseas. There is no comparison to what happened to the Indians and Japanese-Americans and what you propose.
This is just a taste of what is to come if an Islamic nuclear bomb is exploded over America. It will be too late to repatriate these people back to the Middle East. The alternative to come will be much, much worse.
You don't repatriate American citizens, especially those born here, back to the "Middle East." Many American muslims are African-Americans. Are you suggesting that we send them back to Africa? Get real. Using religion as a criterion to deport people from the US is nonsense and wrong. It will never happen. The Nazis tried it with the Jews, killing 6 million and driving many others overseas.
Islamic bomb? Someone or country must produce a nuclear weapon and then deliver it. There is no such thing as an Islamic nuclear bomb any more than a Christian or Jewish nuclear bomb.
But I have never advocated killing anyone. I just happen to believe that Islam is incompatible with western values and they have sworn and over to kill all the infidels unless we convert. Don't believe me. Believe them.
That simply is not true. Name one country in the world that has as its official policy convert to Islam or we will kill you. The vast majority of Muslims live in countries where the practice of Christianity is allowed.
OK, you can bet all you want. Be sure to write me a check when you're done :)
Sorry, but the vast majority of Muslims are not militant Islamic fundamentalists. AQ is a fringe group, not the "core" of Islam and its 1.2 billion followers. UBL wants to take down the House of Saud and many of the other Gulf regimes. AQ has been more muslims than anyone else.
The first stage must be to track down and eliminate the money-men who finance Islamic radicalism.
We are doing that.
The primary weakness of radical Islam is that people who only know how to read the Qu'ran are of low economic value. Without funding, they would be too busy trying to feed themselves to pay attention to Jihaad.
The ones receiving this funding are primarily the radicals. The vast majority of the 1.2 billion muslims receive nothing from these radical islamicists and their financiers. The jihadists number in the thousands, not millions.
Once the funding is gone, then we can see about converting the rest to something more suited to civilized life/
LOL. Reeductation camps for hundreds of millions?
A false prophet would stray from the message.
As did Mohamed.
The Gospels specifically state that Jesus is the Messiah, Mohamed specifically denies this.
I'd say that's straying just a tad.
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