Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
Which word is that?
"You just described those two "all American" types who were arrested in Ohio three days ago."
Bull. Prove it.
Fine. That's your opinion. Go ahead and offer your pinch of incense to Caesar. Your spiritual forbears thought that Nero (or Hirohito) was god.
May I ask one favour of you? Please don't call yourself a Christian. That would be dishonest.
You're a riot. That's reaching!
Betcha they didn't get 'kill the Hispanics' from the Bible.
Betcha they didn't hear how Hispanics should die from behind the closed doors of a church!
The Koran gives Muslims marching orders to kill.
Terrorism and murder are encouraged in mosques all over the world.
People like you insist on separating the 'terrorists' and everday Muslims from the sacred teachings of their religion- and those same Muslims refuse to refute them.Doesn't that bother you?
The 9-11 guys were trusted too. So were the latest bunch in England. When it comes to Muslims trust=suicidal stupidity.
Theocrat.
Because interning an American citizen who has committed no crime is unconstitutional.
And I'm not for forced conversions to Christianity. They don't take, and they are contrary to Jesus' own command.
Only in a fairy tale.
How did Christianity spread to South America, Mexico, Asia, etc. Were the Conquistadors spreading Catholicism peacefully?
Why would you want to belong to such a malevolent religion? Wouldn't you rather worship the God who is Love?
LOL. I am an Episcopalian. I realize that some consider us to be malevolent and not Christians.
"What about the millions of Muslims who are natural-born American citizens?"
They can either disavow Islam or deport them anywhere that will take them but they can't stay here. Would you allow someone to stay in your house who wants you DEAD?
Citizenship is a privilege not a right.
The question was about finding/converting to a religion while incarcerated( constitutionally or not). Incarceration doesn't preclude conversions to Islam, why would it preclude conversions to Christianity?
Perhaps because CRIMINALS are natural converts to Islam?
Perhaps because the jump from an evil religion to a peaceful one is just too big for a Muslim in similar circumstances?
No. That's because most everyday Muslims ignore all the violence advocated by the Koran, just as Christians and Jews ignore the Old Testament prescriptions to "kill your enemy."
They ignore them. Get it? They refute them by ignoring them.
What exactly does "theocrat" mean you think I'm not understanding?
Wrong or not IYHO it was right for the time, and the children of those interned, showed their loyalty and character, by overcoming the two strikes against them by convincing the country they were worthy to fight, and by serving with distinction, despite the hardships they and their families endured for the needs of the country at the time. Those people proved themselves beyond doubt as to their loyalty. We ask nothing more of any individual who calls himself or herself American.
Give it up- you're sounding ridiculous.
Get out of your 'Way Back Machine'.
You think Christianity was a malevolent religion back then? Was Islam?
Which is STILL malevolent? Which is STILL preaching convert or die? It's not Christianity.
We all crapped in our pants as babies too- more shameful/ugly history in common! Most people stop by adulthood, and if they don't they are considered seriously messed up( physically or mentally).
I do understand how you avoid comparing Islam today to other religions tho. The 'we all used to be barbarians' argument is no defense for barbarians when the rest of humanity has progressed.
There's some concrete logic. Not one mention of God in the Constitution. ERGO...
It's a what if question, disregarding it as "un-American" is merely circumventing a difficult question for some. Personally I believe in the great American melting pot, a concept that doesn't put religion first.
There was no "ergo." I was responding to the poster who said the Constitution was "inspired" by God.
It wasn't. His name is not even in it.
theocracy
n 1: a political unit governed by a deity (or by officials thought to be divinely guided) 2: the belief in government by divine guidance
Oddly enough, the "Constitution was Divinely Inspired" crowd (which I'm arguing against) are theocrats.
What I've been trying to get across to you is that a Christian in a Republic metaphorically brings his Bible into the voting booth and jury room, and protests when he believes that the government is behaving in a morally reprehensible manner. He applies an external, "higher" standard to judge and guide the actions of the government. Or, at least, he should. OTOH, he doesn't bring the Constitution to Church. That would be silly. IOW, his Christianity informs his Citizenship, but not vice versa. He's a Christian first, a Citizen second.
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