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How often do you "catch up with a friend" (or 30 of your "friends") at 3am outside of a Hip Hop club? I mean, that's your right, but you're taking this to the extreme to make your point.

A couple of weeks ago, I saw a friend in San Francisco outside of a restaurant at closing time - around 11 or so. We talked out on the sidewalk for about half an hour. Would I not be subject to arrest under this law?

And I'm all for the right of Free Assembly and all that. But some things are what they are in Real Life, not just in the abstract. And Madistan is BLIND to the real issue here; Gangs are moving in, just as they do in all parts of our country that are blue and offer great amenities and plenty-o-social services, have a lax attitude toward crime and don't allow guns for the citizenry. In other words, where people are sitting ducks.

Yes. So go after real crimes. Arrest gang members if they are selling drugs or injuring others. Not for standing around in public.

The Madistan City Coundil is making it into a "race thang" because...well, I don't know why.

Well, they claim a disproportianate number of black people have been arrested under this law. The trouble with a law like this is that it basically lets a cop arrest anyone he feels like for just standing around. There is much potential for abuse - police are subject to the same prejudices as anyone else. And while you say, "Real life, not just in the abstract" - I say, the real constitutional right of Free Assembly, not just in the abstract. Can I assume that you would feel different about a law like this if some cop who didn't like you for whatever reason arrested you for talking to a friend outside of a bar?

"Can I assume that you would feel different about a law like this if some cop who didn't like you for whatever reason arrested you for talking to a friend outside of a bar?"

I guess I can't relate to the life you lead. I don't hang out in bars. Nor do I travel in packs with the intent to harm others. Well, the Moonbats would say that I used to; I am Retired Army, LOL!

However, I do totally understand your point, belive it or not.

So, what's your answer to our rapidly expanding gang and crime problem? The City won't put any more cops on the streets, they don't want Citizen Groups protecting their apartments and businesses downtown from these roving gangs, the owner of the Hip Hop club won't close, or limit liquor sales and just points a finger back at the cops for "not doing their job" and gawd forbid anyone be offended in any way, shape or form while they're fighting in the streets at bar time or beating up our college students and robbing them.

And not just robbing them. Taking the few measly dollars starving students have AFTER literally beating the cr@p out of them with fists and baseball bats and pipes. Fifteen to one; now that's a fair fight! Please! That's some sort of Gang Initiation if ever there was one. And I was a Teenaged Girl Once-Upon-A-Time. I know all about Gang Warfare. ;)

Count your blessings that this isn't happening in your town. But while you're not looking and chatting with me and arguing your right to meet your friends in the street at bar time...the cancer is creeping in to infect you and yours. ;)