[Monterrosa-24]

The Battle of Tours was one of great decisive battles of all history.

Its detractors try to say that only one small prong of Mohammedan advances was turned back. But it was "hammered" in the northern half of France with a tremendous shift in momentum.

In 1941, the defenders of Moscow at kilometer 43 and a few other sites only turned back German units that amounted to little more than "reinforced reconnaissance patrols" but the results were still decisive.

To call Charles Martel "a Belgium" is a stretch. The Franks were real men in those days.

[Marius3188]

I'm only calling him Belgium because of the current geographics of his birthplace(Wallonia).

[muawiyah]

The biggest problem the Franks faced in those days were lice and leaky thatch roofs.

Frankenreich, et al, were so decrepit in those times that it really wasn't worthwhile for the Moslems to try to rehabilitate the place.

Consequently they escorted Moslem converts from the area back to Spain where it was sunny, warm and civilized.