Posted on 08/08/2006 7:21:01 AM PDT by kellynla
Farah does not have his history straight or is deliberately distorting the truth. Jefferson's followers in the Congress forced the Federalist administration to cut its plans for new warships in half which severely limited its ability to deal with pirates as well as the Frence and the British.
The Democrats were concerned that such a force might be used to fight their foreign allies, the Jacobins, and many were ready to fight a civil war here to prevent that.
Not only did Jefferson and his followers delay the founding of Military academies to educate officers it howled inanely about the dangers of a standing army and cut it. This ideological blindness weakened American military power and potential for the next decade. Consequently we entered the War of 1812 with little military power which allowed 5,000 British troops to burn the National Capital.
Jefferson opposed not merely a navy but American shipping carrying American goods. He wanted foreign ships to do it in a cowardly attempt to avoid problems with other countries. His idea of a navy was limited to gunboats which patrolled only our coasts. Navies produced foreign conflicts to his mind. He tried to withdraw America from trade with Europe through an embargo which brought the economy to its knees for several years resulting in massive unemployment and the collapse of our shipping industry.
Jefferson never fought a war without bending over backwards repeatedly and to paint him as militantly proposing using force against the Muslims is revisionism at its worst. He was truely the ancestor of today's Party of Treason and America's most overrated president.
The bottom line is that the American Navy & Marine Corps were formed to fight enemies of America who were at that time Muslims. Fast forward 230 years and we are still fighting the Muslims.
The Muslims need to be deported...every swinging dick and his family!
It is not true that the American Navy was formed to fight muslims. It was formed to fight the British then allowed to languish due to Democrat anti-militarism. The impetus to strengthen it came due to the seizures of American ships by the Frence and British who were fighting each other. Jefferson's followers OPPOSED this. They did NOT want a strong military. THAT is the bottom line.
Farah's article makes claims as stupid as claiming it was Bill Clinton who engaged the Islamic terrorists.
Your characterisation of Washington and Adams' response is entirely false.
If you don't know that the "Barbary Pirates" were Muslims then you are in for a rude awakening.
Of course he could. No one pandered to the mob better than Jefferson. That was his political strength.
"It is not true that the American Navy was formed to fight muslims."
I didn't say that. I said
"The bottom line is that the American Navy & Marine Corps were formed to fight enemies of America who were at that time Muslims. Fast forward 230 years and we are still fighting the Muslims."
Try not to misquote me in the future.
What on earth would cause you to say something that stupid?
Who DOESN'T know that?
That is not the issue here rather it is Farah's lionization of Jefferson on false pretenses.
Contrary to what the Democrats claim, Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party isn't related to the Democratic Party.
yea, you keep changing the subject. LMAO
first you say, the Navy & Marine Corps weren't formed to fight our enemies who WERE MUSLIMS then and are our enemies NOW now. But you say ohhhhh the subject is not Muslims but Jefferson.
The subject is MUSLIMS AND MUSLIM TERRORISM!
now quit bothering me with your inane posts
we're talking about Muslims here!
we're presently not at war with the French, English or anyone else other than the MUSLIMS!
We were engaging Muslims 230 years ago and we're engaging the Muslims in war TODAY!
try and keep on point...if you can.
It is FALSE that the Navy was formed with the muslims in mind. It is TRUE that the Jeffersonians fought against forming that Navy.
Farah's nonsense confuses the reason we went to war in the first place and falsely makes Jefferson into a hero when he tried to prevent the navy from being formed and strengthed.
LIES are the issue and Farah is spreading them and you don't seem to care.
The point is you are trying to use this invalid article to show that the muslims are our enemy. There are FAR better means to do so.
I reeeeeely could care less what your opinion of Jefferson is.
since you obviously didn't pay attention to the first lines of this piece and the topic.
try reading it again.
"Most Americans probably think the Islamic terrorists declared war on the United States Sept. 11, 2001.
Actually, it started a long time before – right from the birth of the nation.
In 1784, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin were commissioned by the first Congress to assemble in Paris to see about marketing U.S. products in Europe."
The subject matter is MUSLIM TERRORISM and appeasement...
then(Barbary Pirates) and NOW!
now I am done responding to your inane posts.
any further posts from you will be ignored.
Trying to use one of the worst of the "appeasers" as an example of a hero makes your whole thread laughable. What next John Kerry's heroism against Saddam?
Jefferson changed this view when he and his henchmen realized that the Federalists were in charge of the military and government. After that they were nothing but obstructionists and totally anti-military.
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