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To: A. Pole
The President is either naive or overly optimistic.

Many societies -- perhaps most societies -- are incapable of democracy except in its most crude iterations.

Our representative democracy, our republic, was the creation of a special nation of enlightened individualists. Our founders reviewed the entire known history of governance (for they were indeed better educated in such things than any of our current academicians or political leaders) and crafted the highest form of self-governance for our people.

It was only possible to establish our republic due to the particular preparedness of the body politic. Americans of the day were the highest culmination of Greco-Roman, Judaeo-Christian, Anglo-American civilization. That acme of civilization has actually seen a degradation in the intervening years -- particularly in the last 50-75 years. And so we ourselves struggle with an electorate which is increasingly ignorant both acadmeically and culturally. It should be of no surpise that those backwards societies oeverseas are incaapble of understaniding and embracing the knids of sophisticated republican ideals that were once the hallmark of the American genius.
6 posted on 08/08/2006 6:56:59 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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And so we ourselves struggle with an electorate which is increasingly ignorant both academically and culturally. It should be of no surprise that those backwards societies overseas are incapable of understanding and embracing the kinds of sophisticated republican ideals that were once the hallmark of the American genius.
7 posted on 08/08/2006 7:03:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: BenLurkin
Our representative democracy, our republic, was the creation of a special nation of enlightened individualists.

Or perhaps committed Congregationalists. The Congregationalist Church (and other churches with similar constitution) structure, practice and beliefs are the main form of self-government accessible to the millions of Americans.

As the American Protestantism declines so will the Republic.

12 posted on 08/08/2006 7:16:58 AM PDT by A. Pole (Saint Augustine: "The truth speaks from the bottom of the heart without the noise of words")
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To: BenLurkin
Americans of the day were the highest culmination of Greco-Roman, Judaeo-Christian, Anglo-American civilization.

I agree

I'm not ashamed of it

It is a fact of history.

It is worth defending -- to the death (of our enemies).

30 posted on 08/08/2006 3:06:16 PM PDT by delacoert
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