Former torture memo writer says some liberties must be sacrificed - John Yoo, former DOJ lawyer

ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 8/7/06 | Tara Godvin - ap

[ladyinred]

drew attention at an American Bar Association convention panel on whether tactics such as the detention of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and the surveillance of phone calls may erode liberties.

These people are all nuts.

[msnimje]

I am more than willing to give up some of my liberties to protect my fellow Americans.

[mysterio]

Thought as a libertarian you might be interested in this one.

[phreakinpsycho]

They are all looking for additional clients and more billable hours.

[pillut48]

I'm thinking liberals are pretty much going to just say
"F" Yoo on his civil liberty beliefs!

(Someone had to say it!) ;-)

[Paperdoll]

>I am more than willing to give up some of my liberties to protect my fellow Americans.<

Sounds very noble, but think about this: Why are little old ladies detained and searched extensively at airports when anyone looking remotely MiddleEastern is passed through (We cannot have racial profiling!) Why have our borders been wide open since 9/11/01 to illegal invaders, (including known criminals, terrorists and other spies) who are given free health care, rent subsidies, and food stamps, when people wanting to immigrate here legally are put through all kinds of rules and regs in order to get in? Why has Dubai been allowed to run our ports, and the companies that make parts for our weaponry? Why has the sovereignty of our country been undermined completely by the signed, sealed and delivered North American Union with Mexico and Canada since the last Federal election?
Did Congress and the Senate pass this? Why is the President allowed to Federalize the National Guard? Did he draw this by the Congress and the Senate? And, what other liberties are you willing to give up which may never again be restored to your fellow Americans?
I'm just curious.

[Wilhelm Tell]

I remember when President Clinton said that Americans had "too many personal freedoms" and we should give up some of our freedoms for the common good (in the context of more gun control). The leftist pundits all thought that was wonderful.

[freepatriot32]

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[freepatriot32]

Thought as a libertarian you might be interested in this one.

Yes i am thank you for the ping

[mugs99]

I am more than willing to give up some of my liberties

Patrick Henry would be proud. /s
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[msnimje]

Patrick Henry would be proud. /s

If Patrick Henry had to deal with Islamofascists backed by states that have nuclear weapons or are acquiring them, I doubt he would mind his phone calls being monitored by computers or emails scanned electronically for certain words. Likewise I doubt he would mind taking off his shoes or having his satchel searched.

Nobody is going to take away your right to vote or worship or gather in the public square. Unless you want to use these things to destroy the US.

[mugs99]

If Patrick Henry had to deal with Islamofascists

It's about more than phone calls being monitored by computers or emails scanned electronically or taking off shoes...and you know that. If we have to give up any rights, the Islamofascists have already won.
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[durasell]

People gave up rights during World War II and Hitler didn't win...

[StoneColdGOP]

But big government sure as hell did.

[mugs99]

People gave up rights during World War II and Hitler didn't win...
And that should be a good lesson. We were promised that all wartime violations of the Constitution would expire when the war was over.
Are taxes still being withheld from your paycheck? We were promised that was only for the duration of the war. We were lied to about that and many other lost liberties.
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[durasell]

This is an honest answer: I'm not too worried about loss of liberties and inconvenience. We have not yet learned how to deal with these new threats, but I am confident that we will. It's what Americans do. On the other hand, I don't encourage folks to stop complaining, as that's also what Americans do to spur action...

[mugs99]

The world is full of new threats...always has been and always will be. We are facing a bigger danger than outside threats. Terror is not an enemy. Terror is a tactic. When we wage war against a tactic we are committing to a war that will never end. Mission creep will gaurantee that even more liberties will be lost and never returned.
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[durasell]

Americans are more clever than we give outselves credit for...we're going to figure this thing out...