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To: TomasUSMC

Have to agree with you there. Eventually, as the Palestinians did with Hamas, the Iraqi's will elect an Islamic facist government.

It's high time for the West to understand and recognize that Muslim coutries WANT strong arm facism, socialism, public executions, genital mutilation, honor killings, mass murder in the name of Allah and the jackboot of political oppression on their necks at all times. They will use Democracy to achieve it.

Islam compels them to it. They quite simply cannot help or control themselves. And the minute they had it they would IMMEDIATELY start working to achieve the same thing here. As far as I am concerned they already have stated this.


17 posted on 08/02/2006 12:03:15 AM PDT by navyguy
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To: navyguy
"Have to agree with you there. Eventually, as the Palestinians did with Hamas, the Iraqi's will elect an Islamic facist government. It's high time for the West to understand and recognize that Muslim coutries WANT strong arm facism, socialism, public executions, genital mutilation, honor killings, mass murder in the name of Allah and the jackboot of political oppression on their necks at all times. They will use Democracy to achieve it."

Yeah, but that hasn't happened yet in Turkey to any great extent, which is also an Islamic country. I wouldn't equate Turkey or Iraq with the Palestinian territory. Each country is unique and they all have a chance to achieve a functioning democracy that protects individual rights to some extent. You have to keep in mind that in the Middle Ages there were no protections for individual rights in Great Britain, which is now a strong democracy and a champion of individual rights. In the 12th century, armed knights rode around the country killing anyone who opposed them at will. The murder rate in Britain at that time is estimated to be 10 times higher than the current US murder rate.

The problem, of course, is that the belief system of some parts of the world is still back in the 12th century, but that doesn't mean there can never be great change and progress as happened in Europe over the last 700 years. We just can't wait 700 years for progress to happen; somehow progress has to be greatly expedited.

18 posted on 08/02/2006 12:12:36 AM PDT by defenderSD (A skilled debater feared by liberals, socialists, and leftist politicos throughout the world.)
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To: navyguy

The question is what is to be done now? Help the Kurds I would guess since they are more sectarian.

Nevertheless we can't continue nation building if the nations we are building are going to be just as bad or worse. Its as if we allowed the Nazis and Tojos to stay in and exercise their power after 1945.


34 posted on 08/02/2006 9:25:25 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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