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Verdict Reached in Andrea Yates Case (UPDATE: Not Guilty by reason of insanity)
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Posted on 07/26/2006 9:35:01 AM PDT by cajunman

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To: bone52

Nothing wrong? How about not protecting his children from a mother with mental problems? How about making that mother do home schooling knowing full well that she had problems?

You don't put an unstable mother in a situation of constant interaction with five children without relief when you have been advised that she should have no more children.

Easy to say he did nothing wrong - you are right - he did nothing and the children died. He was the only hope they had in that situation. He chose not to see his wife's building problems, went off to work involved in his life, while the children were left with a crazy woman for their total care.

Smart - real, real smart. Yep, hey! What is he supposed to do, he works, brings in the bacon - the kids are her responsibility. Yet, he chose to keep having those kids but not to protect them from an unstable mother.

You do not expect that an unstable, totally depressed woman can surmount all problems and handle them as well as a healthy person. You are being a fool if you do.


421 posted on 07/26/2006 1:29:50 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Involuntary term limits for all our representatives - I want them ALL OUT OF OFFICE.)
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To: tessalu

Glad you kept God with you as you went through all of this and may your family be restored.

So very hard to understand post-partum depression.


422 posted on 07/26/2006 1:32:43 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Involuntary term limits for all our representatives - I want them ALL OUT OF OFFICE.)
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To: roxybear
Andrea was psychotic.
The issue in the case was insanity as defined under Texas law. The jury found she didn't know the killing was wrong.... I disagree but I wasn't on the jury, neither was anyone posting on this thread, I'd guess, so in essence we don't know the reasoning behind their decision at this time. At some point I expect some of them will discuss their decision making process.

CHAPTER 8. GENERAL DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY

§ 8.01. INSANITY. (a) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that, at the time of the conduct charged, the actor, as a result of severe mental disease or defect, did not know that his conduct was wrong.


Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 2640, ch. 454, § 1, eff. Aug. 29, 1983; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
423 posted on 07/26/2006 1:33:26 PM PDT by deport
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To: BJClinton

My mistake. I thought you were speaking of hydrophobia...not sociopaths.


424 posted on 07/26/2006 1:38:38 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Stone Mountain

I invite you to read my subsequent posts.

At any rate, Ms. Yates' actions (in my opinion and in the opinion of the previous jury) do not render her insane according to Texas law. According to Texas law, she knew her actions were wrong considering that she phoned her husband afterward telling him "I've done a very bad thing".


425 posted on 07/26/2006 1:43:17 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: stopem
"Disgusting verdict by a most disgusting evil person."

Sorry meant to say:
Disgusting verdict FOR a most disgusting evil, vile person!

426 posted on 07/26/2006 1:50:13 PM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: over3Owithabrain

No, I don't want to bet but I think a judge will think very carefully before letting out a woman that murdered 5 of her kids. If I'm wrong, feel free to come back with an I told you so though.


427 posted on 07/26/2006 1:51:45 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: dfwgator

...the case is not closed....I am not a psychologist but I have a Masters Degree in Psych....and I can tell you that in severe cases, you can know what you did was wrong but so psychotic that you are compelled to do the act...at the time knowing you are doing the right thing...and at the same time, knowing was wrong.....hard to explain but unless you have studied or been around mental illness, I can tell you it is a tough nut.....I don't want to make excuses for anyone, but you are thinking of this in a rational mind, where those that are truly sick...do not have that luxury....so ....the case is closed....but not in what you elaborated on.....


428 posted on 07/26/2006 1:52:11 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: roxybear
Obviously they realized something was wrong because they were trying to help her. I don't think if they thought she was that far gone , that they would have left her with the kids though. Often, the signs are there but we don't see them because we are too close. This is so rare. Women have kids all the time, husbands spend a lot of time at work. Occasionally tragedy happens. I don't understand all the animosity towards the husband though. He's in trouble if he talks. He's in trouble if he doesn't. Don't you imagine that he is ate up with guilt? Why else has he
continued to look after her. I doubt he needs others beating up on him. He's probably his own worst enemy. JMO.
429 posted on 07/26/2006 2:01:49 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: LibertyRocks; All
While I can't disagree with what you wrote, I can only look to other cases where the people who committed murder where clearly insane and given the death penalty or life without parole.

Were Dahmer, Manson, et al, the serial killers sane? How could Susan Smith murder her precious boys? They were all clearly a combination of insanity and evil. Society put them where they belonged.

Because Andrea was the "Mother" we can't bring ourselves to judge her "evil"? We blame it on post-partum depression or meds.

Has she ever shown remorse? A truly remorseful, loving Mother who came to her senses, wouldn't want to go on living knowing what she had done..NOT Andrea...

I'm afraid the jury has been duped.

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430 posted on 07/26/2006 2:07:26 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: JerseyDvl
Good call.

It would be "unfortunate" if one of the kids broke their arm. Being drown with your four siblings is somewhat worse IMO.

431 posted on 07/26/2006 2:08:44 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Hydroshock

The most just solution would be lethal injection for Yates, and a public square stoning for her deadbeat worthless husband.


432 posted on 07/26/2006 2:10:48 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: XR7
Amen to your post.

Another mother who is has gotten off after murdering her children.

She killed those children out of hate for her husband.

433 posted on 07/26/2006 2:11:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: wintertime
I think she actually had postpartum psychosis which is even more serious that the pp-depression. I did hear a nurse (on an Albuquerque station) talk about the depression. She worked for an obstetrician. She said that after her child was born, she heard voices, had funny feelings, felt that her child was possed by the Devil, etc. Of course, figuring out what was happening, she called the doctor and got some help. However, what she described was scary.

There's (she claimed) a drop of about a factor of 1000 in the hormones in one day after birth; big shock to the body.

434 posted on 07/26/2006 2:11:51 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: najida
Does Medea ring a bell?

Exactly!

She killed those children because she wanted to strike out at her husband.

435 posted on 07/26/2006 2:16:27 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Just goes to prove: if you kill a whole bunch of people the jury will say you were insane, while if you kill only one, you get a death sentence. You might as well go for broke and kill them all - you will get away with it!


436 posted on 07/26/2006 2:20:06 PM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: rwfromkansas

What if she was possessed?


437 posted on 07/26/2006 2:22:07 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

I believe she can be set free after a spell in the hospital. I have to say that I blame the husband somewhat for not realizing how dangerous she was.


438 posted on 07/26/2006 2:23:42 PM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: jrg

So God won't forgive murder?


439 posted on 07/26/2006 2:26:36 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: NorCalRepub

You're correct. I am a psychologist (though I don't do clinical work) and I'm generally pretty tough on criminals. I've read what's out there on her condition and I'm convinced that she was extremely mentally ill at the time. She had postpartum psychosis - which is different than postpartum depression. Years ago Charles Krauthaumer (not sure I'm spelling his name right) had an excellent editorial explaining why he thought Andrea Yates should be found not guilty by reason of insanity (this might have been during the first trial). He did a great job explaining what, as you say, is hard to explain. The best analogy I can come up with is breaking the speed limit to get a sick person to the hospital. You know that you are doing something wrong and breaking the law, but you are doing it to save a life, so it is the "right thing" to do.


440 posted on 07/26/2006 2:29:29 PM PDT by drjulie
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