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Turks Massing on Iraq Border
Strategy Page ^ | July 24, 2006 | Strategy Page/Aaron Glantz/Daniel Pipes

Posted on 07/25/2006 10:28:59 PM PDT by managusta

It appears Turkey is preparing to conduct a larger anti-PKK operation in northern Iraq.

The Turkish government told the US that (paraphrasing) "Turkey will decide (not the US)" if Turkish troops enter Iraq in force." Turkish intelligence consistently reports that from 4000 to 5000 PKK guerrillas are operating from bases inside northern Iraq.

In April 2006 Aaron Glantz wrote that the Turkish government had sent an additional 40,000 troops to southeastern Anatolia, bringing the total troops stationed near the Iraqi border to an estimated 250,000 (close to double the number of U.S. forces in Iraq).

Daniel Pipes reports " Turkish officials signaled Tuesday [July 18] they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there — a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week. "The government is really in a bind," said Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara. "On the one hand, they don't want things to break down with the United States. On the other hand, the public is crying for action."

Diplomats and experts cautioned the increasingly aggressive Turkish statements were likely aimed at calming public anger and pressing the U.S. and Iraq to act against the Turkish Kurdish guerrillas. But they also said Turkish politicians and military officers could act if nothing is done. …

Turkey's NTV television and Hürriyet newspaper reported the government has told the military to draw up plans for a push into northern Iraq and to advise on the possibilities such an incursion could lead to a clash with Iraqi Kurds or U.S. troops. Any operation was unlikely before the end of August, when the current military chief of staff is replaced by an officer widely regarded as a hard-liner, NTV said. …

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan appeared to confirm reports that the military was ordered to draft plans when he said Tuesday: "We know how to take care of (terrorism) on our own... Our competent units are making preparations and will continue to do so." Erdoman's spokesman, Akif Beki, refused to comment, but referred to a statement Monday by government spokesman Cemil Çicek. Çicek called on Iraqi and U.S. forces to take stronger action against the rebels and warned that if they did not, "Turkey is going to use its international rights until the very end."

Zaman. com states that "Beyond that, even an invasion is possible. Before Rice's visit, the commander of Turkey's armed forces, Gen. Hilmi Özkök, was asked if his military would ask for permission from Washington before crossing the border into Iraq.

"We cannot make a decision of that kind based on the USA," he said. "Every country is sovereign. Every country makes its own decisions. If the conditions change, you act by the changing conditions."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; pkk; turkey; turkishtroops
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To: SunkenCiv

Rimshot!


21 posted on 07/25/2006 10:51:28 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

I agree.


22 posted on 07/25/2006 10:51:40 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: SunkenCiv
whey things are going with the Kurds.

Groooaaaan.

L

23 posted on 07/25/2006 10:52:38 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

They'd become similar to Yugoslavia, and you can view some former Yugoslavian freepers views on that.


24 posted on 07/25/2006 10:53:01 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: managusta
Collision my foot.

When all hell breaks loose, those soldiers will be just where we need them.

25 posted on 07/25/2006 10:54:11 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: managusta

I feel for the Turks, but I can't quite reach them. Let them live under the same PC constraints they would try to put on us, or the Israelis, if we take action against a terrorist "state within a state".


26 posted on 07/25/2006 10:56:00 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

The Kurds are not just some tribe. They are the ancient Mede peoples. They range throughout a region that touches on Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. They have been systematically hunted and killed by these created nations for decades.

They have their own culture, traditions, and history.

They have also been among our strongest allies in the Mideast; next to, of course, the Jews.


27 posted on 07/25/2006 10:56:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Prost1
The bulk of Americans came from Europe, Asia, the Southern parts of the Americas, and Africa. That is a way of the world, people displacing other people. The Anglo-Saxons displaced the Celtic/Roman Britons. The Visigoths and Franks took control over the Roman peoples of Hispania and Gaul.

Following your faulty logic, should people not trust Americans, the English, the Spaniards, and the French--simply because some of their ancestors drove out people from their current countries? (all human creatures are untrustworthy, but not because they invaded and displaced people).

28 posted on 07/25/2006 10:57:37 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: managusta

The Turkish position would seem to have some parallels with the Israeli's. The Kurds use northern Iraq as a base to foment problems inside a sovereign Turkey.

We probably should get the Kurds to knock it off!

On the other hand, three well-placed JDAMs just inside the Iraq border with the assurance that the U.S. reserves the right to bomb every square inch of Iraq at will, would probably cause quite a bit of consternation among the Turkish troops. [They might have quite a bit of laundry to do! :]


29 posted on 07/25/2006 10:58:27 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

For what it's worth I VISITED the Cherokee reservation last week. They DO have a nation within our nation.

The situation, though, is a bit different.

Iraq did not exist even 85 years ago; nor did Saudi Arabia, Syria, Kuwait, etc. They were all created by Britain drawing arbritrary lines following the Ottoman Empire's defeat with the Germans in WWI.

The Brits MISSED the Kurdish people. There was no rhyme nor reason for the lines they drew with the exceptions, perhaps, of Jordan and Lebanon.


30 posted on 07/25/2006 11:00:55 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Kurds should have to adapt with living with other peoples in their respective countries.

They are, they live with Sunni's and Shiites in Iraq.

Would you support a homeland for the Amerindians at the expense of the United States?

Bad analogy, but I'll play. Indians do have there own land; it's called Indian reservations, much to the expense of the USA/taxpayers like me.
31 posted on 07/25/2006 11:01:02 PM PDT by Pro-Bush ("A nation without borders is not a nation." President Reagan)
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To: goodnesswins
And both the Israelis and Turks are criticized, but on FR it seems that the criticism is reserved for Turkey only.

Neither country should be criticized for defending their countries' integrity.

32 posted on 07/25/2006 11:01:16 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: managusta
"Turkey will decide (not the US)" if Turkish troops enter Iraq in force." Turkish intelligence consistently reports that from 4000 to 5000 PKK guerrillas are operating from bases inside northern Iraq.

I beg your freakin' pardon???

33 posted on 07/25/2006 11:02:46 PM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from suddenly one of the safer places in the Middle East)
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To: managusta

I think Turkey might be more interested in having access to Iraq's oil...the Kurds are our strongest allies in Iraq. An invasion would not go over well.


34 posted on 07/25/2006 11:03:23 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: xzins
The Kurds are at least as strong American allies as the Turks--not much, but technically allies. Also, the Medes invaded other countries when they were in power. And the large American ally in southwestern Asia is Israel, not Jews in particular. There are iranian and iraqi Jews who are as against the United States as their Muslim brethren.
35 posted on 07/25/2006 11:04:53 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: A CA Guy

"Send the UN and that will fix it. :-)"


LOL!

Koffi sez so. ;o)


36 posted on 07/25/2006 11:05:15 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

only Israel was supposed to be in bold.


37 posted on 07/25/2006 11:06:22 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Iranian and Iraqi Jews have a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome.


38 posted on 07/25/2006 11:09:18 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I had to re-read that several times...that was just awful!!!

:)


39 posted on 07/25/2006 11:10:46 PM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
There are iranian and iraqi Jews who are as against the United States as their Muslim brethren.

Almost every single Iraqi Jew was deported from Iraq between 1947 and 1952. Iraq passed laws making Jews effectively non-citizens and unable to own property. I can't imagine any Jews still living in Iraq.

40 posted on 07/25/2006 11:16:31 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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