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No need to ask if Bush has no shame
Capital Times ^ | 7-25-06 | Dave Zweifel

Posted on 07/25/2006 5:14:54 PM PDT by SJackson

I really do try hard not to dislike George W. Bush as a person.

But then he pulls a stunt like he did last week in vetoing a bill that would have allowed researchers in this country to get more help in exploring the many promises of stem cells.

The veto was almost beside the point. It was the smarmy way he and the cynical entourage with which he has surrounded himself played to the TV cameras and the religious zealots they hope will storm the polls for small-minded Republicans like himself this fall.

Parading an entourage of cute little kids onto the stage (can't you picture the frantic search Bush's underlings conducted to round up enough of these kids for the event?), he claimed that they were all given life by a frozen embryo that had been created for in vitro fertilization, implying that none would be alive today if the bill he was vetoing had been the law of the land.

In other words, those crazy scientists in our universities like the UW's Jamie Thompson, I guess would be willy-nilly grabbing frozen embryos from the clutches of prospective parents and snuffing out lives like the little toddler Bush was holding in his arms.

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. The embryos the nation's stem cell researchers would have been permitted to use are ones that were to be discarded. But, as we all know so well after these past six years, truth never gets in the way of a George Bush political initiative. If we can lie about the need to go to war, surely we can lie about stem cell researchers.

Too bad there wasn't another stage where grandpas and grandmas with Alzheimer's, or young people in wheelchairs for life because of spinal injuries, or young fathers suffering from the early stages of Parkinson's could have been paraded in front of the cameras to demonstrate the cruelty of Bush's veto. Embryos are created every day. The lives of those suffering people are forever lost unless, of course, the promise of stem cells is someday realized.

And then there was the blatant hypocrisy.

Here was a president pandering to his righteous religious base about the "sanctity" of human life. The same president who repeatedly lied to get his country into a war that has taken the lives of tens of thousands of human beings and injured and maimed many thousands more.

Somehow I don't want to be lectured about the value of human life by the likes of him.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adultstemcells; federalfunding; stemcells
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Good one, Triple E, LOL!


61 posted on 07/25/2006 7:20:57 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SJackson; All

"The same president who repeatedly lied to get his country into a war that has taken the lives of tens of thousands of human beings and injured and maimed many thousands more."

Oh, Dave! You sad, old, useless, White Elephant of a Communist. Still carrying the party's water after all these years? How sad your little life must be.

I know Dave. I served with him in the ARNG when he was our Public Affairs Officer. He is a sad, angry, weasly little man who has never seen a day of combat and has never been threatened in any way, shape or form to shake up his little liberal world.

The moment Dave gets mugged by Reality, he'll become a Conservative; I'd bet the farm on that.

It does take some people their entire lives to "see the light." (Dave is nearing 70 by now.) I'm still holding out a LITTLE bit of hope for Dave. ;)


62 posted on 07/25/2006 7:29:39 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: eleni121
Dave Zweifel, former fetus who made it alive

Do you think we could get a bill that would allow selective post birth abortion passed?

I think it would make it through the House, but it would get stuck in the Senate. Like everything else.
63 posted on 07/25/2006 7:31:04 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Coward Dean's eyes.)
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To: JeanS

"...but I always feel like I need to take a shower after reading that site."

Hi, Jean! I live ten miles south of Madistan...and I shower every day, and sometimes twice if we have a southerly breeze, just to get the stink off of me that rolls out of that city on any given day. ;)


64 posted on 07/25/2006 7:33:57 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: JeanS

"Capital Times is an ultra-left site. I don't know why you bother posting their articles."

Three words: "Know Thine Enemy." ;)


65 posted on 07/25/2006 7:35:23 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Holicheese

"If stem cells are the way to solving all of the sicknesses in the world, why isn't there some Pharma. Company stepping up to the plate to do it themselves?"

Exactly!


66 posted on 07/25/2006 7:37:46 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; SJackson

"Three words: "Know Thine Enemy." ;)"

LOL, and always shower afterwards. I hope it didn't look like I was picking on SJackson, I think my comment may have come out wrong.


67 posted on 07/25/2006 7:46:36 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS

"I think my comment may have come out wrong."

Not at all. I know we're all on the same page when it comes to the idiocy that flows out of Madistan. Wish we could find some way to stop it, though. The Madistan City Council and the lefties in Madistan as a whole are so incredibly destructive to our state. How others that live here and can't see that is beyond me.

Some days I feel very impotent against them. I guess today is one of those days. :(


68 posted on 07/25/2006 8:01:31 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SJackson
I really do try hard not to dislike George W. Bush as a person.

He's lying.

69 posted on 07/25/2006 8:02:57 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Holicheese
"If stem cells are the way to solving all of the sicknesses in the world, why isn't there some Pharma. Company stepping up to the plate to do it themselves?"

They are, but not pharmacuticles. Just your ordinary medical device companies. Start-ups, mostly. I do have experience here.

For Bush to say that he vetoed it because he didn't believe taxpayers with certain beliefs should subsidize things that they find morally wrong is disingenuous.

How about making us pay for the bridge to nowhere, or welfare, or the thousand other federal mandates?

Bush vetoed it on religeous grounds. He should be man enough to admit it.

I personally disagree with the veto. Using a few cells that would otherwise be killed, to help cure diseases, is a no brainer.

But certain nutcases equate that to murder, or something. Perhaps they would like the embryos to stay alive forever. Let them pay for it.

Any takers? Cough up the money, hypocrites.

70 posted on 07/25/2006 8:06:20 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Look for the Union label--on the tunnel ceiling as it smashes your car!)
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To: SJackson
I admit I'm a fan of reading the other side.

Keep on posting this crap.

Sometimes, what the lefties say and think makes my blood boil.

But the mindless drivel in the Madison Capital-Times never fails to amuse me.

Zweifel in particular...

71 posted on 07/25/2006 8:09:07 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MonroeDNA

Thats great, let those companies have them and let them do the research and let them reap the rewards.
I would just send them to Korea and let them do the research...Oh yea, that guy was a fraud.


72 posted on 07/25/2006 8:22:24 PM PDT by Holicheese (Stanley Cup's new home IS North Carolina!)
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To: SJackson

1. Difference between stem cell research, which can be funded by Federal Government, and EMBRYONIC stem cell research, which funding was vetoed.

2. Of course you are free to spend your own money on Embryonic stem cell research, and suffer what ever moral damnation is associated with that act.


73 posted on 07/25/2006 9:21:01 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: The Electrician

"Who do these leftist imbeciles think that they can fool with their polemics?"

I will tell you.

They think they can fool themselves.

It's all about power. They use the power of the printed word to establish and maintain power. This is corruption at it's roots.

President Bush is fighting corruption, and therefore taking away their power.

So, they lie to themselves, so they can justify the hate they feel for him and the need to have him dead so the power of ill-gotten fortune, over-hyped fame, and influence peddling is returned to them.


74 posted on 07/26/2006 4:34:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (S)
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To: Holicheese
"Thats great, let those companies have them and let them do the research and let them reap the rewards. "

It is happening all over the world. And it is not "major pharmecuticals." It is little bitty medical device startups, by the thousands.

Everywhere.

All over the world.

Still, I, and you, believe Bush did this for religeous beliefs. Right?

75 posted on 07/26/2006 5:52:01 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Look for the Union label--on the tunnel ceiling as it smashes your car!)
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