[EternalVigilance]

It depends on who is defining your list of terms.

The Minuteman movement is all about PR.

They've moved mountains, PR-wise, last time I checked.

You're not one of the fools who thinks the Minutemen are going to single-handedly close the border with a few volunteers and grassroots donations, are you?

Just a reminder to you, since you seem so concerned about the Minutemen's donors: When they gave, those donors did not expect Simcox to close the border with their fifty or a hundred bucks. They expected him to do what he could to put pressure on the Congress and the President to do their sworn duty.

You'd have to be a fool to not recognize how well the Minutemen, led primarily by Simcox, have done exactly that.

[technochick99]

Just a reminder to you, since you seem so concerned about the Minutemen's donors: When they gave, those donors did not expect Simcox to close the border with their fifty or a hundred bucks. They expected him to do what he could to put pressure on the Congress and the President to do their sworn duty.

I agree with you about the PR side. That was, and is, important. And "they" did a great job about it. But I do expect that most donors (i.e. conservatives) expect an accounting of where the money is going. It is simple stewardship, that is all. I wish that there would be information more forthcoming, because this damages the cause every day. Sometimes, we conservatives are our own worst enemies.

However, I do not mean that the critics are the ones doing the damage, but that Simcox is... He could minimize this PR disaster in a heartbeat.

[Bob J]

He promised to build a fence with their money Tom. The local chapters don't even have the tools they were promised to help patrol the border.

If you're stating the entire MM mission was one big PR move and had nothing to do with the concrete promises they made to donors and members, then Simcox is a fraud and a cheat.

You can play all the "ends justifies the means" games you want, if the man made promises he should keep them. If it was all about PR then he should have stated that and not accepted donations based on false pretenses.

I doubt it would have made a tremendous difference to the people writing checks or walking the border. Now his reputation will be tainted and his movement marginalized.

I think Simcox was a good man who got in with the wrong people.