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Most Children Left Behind ( Government schools can NOT be religiously neutral!)
TheNewMediaJournal.us ^ | July 19, 2006 | Tony Rubolotta

Posted on 07/23/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by wintertime

The 1962 Supreme Court decision, Engel v. Vitale, started an irreversible march toward liberal indoctrination, primarily moral relativism. Successive court decisions, even to this day, continue to undermine moral and parental authority. The idea that schools could socialize children to value neutral codes of conduct and ethics is an oxymoronic absurdity. Of course, it was never the intent of liberals to offer value neutral anything. With God out of the way as the source of moral standards, the schools’ only concern was those pesky parents and their held-over religious beliefs. The war against parental authority was on.

"If you want to raise a bunch of amoral, pleasure-seeking, government dependent automatons that can’t figure out why jobs are moving off-shore, then keep them in public schools."

If the only problem were teaching children that two plus two is always four that could be corrected. How do you correct the belief that sex, self-esteem, self-indulgence, consensus and materialism are the most important things in life? How do you counter a belief that lying, cheating and stealing are legitimate means to an end if all ends are relative? How can you expect children to grow into ethical business leaders, politicians and citizens when the ethic has no basis other than the feel-good consensus of the moment?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: education; indoctrination; moralabsolutes; secularhumanism
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To: Oberon
You see, once the government starts subsidizing something, it also starts regulating it, and I do NOT want the government dictating how (and what) I teach my children. That's why we homeschool, after all.

And you've rightly pointed out a flaw in a government-sponsored voucher system, which is why I always lay out my approach to education as such: Homeschool. If you can't, try for vouchers. If all else fails, go to the public system.

My experience with homeschooled students is truly inspiring. Fourteen-year old college freshmen with a college-level reading and writing ability have been the norm. They have been, by far, the best and brightest, and I applaud you for going all out with regard to your childrens' education.
41 posted on 07/23/2006 5:13:36 PM PDT by Das Outsider (The Kim Perspective, 7/28: Beavis and Butthead, Kofi Annan, and amazing animal tricks)
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To: wagglebee; All
Read The Underground History of American Education online.
42 posted on 07/23/2006 5:15:32 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Oberon

I am amazed at how much Christian education material is available for homeschooling parents. A couple of the Christian bookshops in the area have an entire section devoted to homeschooling--and it's quite good material.


43 posted on 07/23/2006 5:15:37 PM PDT by Das Outsider (The Kim Perspective, 7/28: Beavis and Butthead, Kofi Annan, and amazing animal tricks)
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To: scripter
Read The Underground History of American Education online.

Thanks, but don't need to. Our system of public education is definitively Marxist, and as such, has hired from within, you could say. The end game is ultimately the replacement of parents with state educators.
44 posted on 07/23/2006 5:20:21 PM PDT by Das Outsider (The Kim Perspective, 7/28: Beavis and Butthead, Kofi Annan, and amazing animal tricks)
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To: Das Outsider

I just bought a set of the McGuffey readers at a garagse sale the other day. Amazing. An 8th grade education was something in those days. Plus the moral lessons would be completely verboten now - and they have poems praising God!

I'm going to give them to a homeschooling family as soon as I'm done reading them. After all, I never finished high school - I need to polish off my education.

:-)


45 posted on 07/23/2006 5:38:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Hmm... Polish off - doesn't that mean the same thing as "finish off"?


46 posted on 07/23/2006 5:43:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: scripter

I just added it to my favorites. Looks very informative. Don't know if I could loathe public schools any more than I already do but I probably will be schocked anyway.


47 posted on 07/23/2006 5:45:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Schocked - it's time to take a nap. Or read McGuffey's Readers.


48 posted on 07/23/2006 5:48:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I just bought a set of the McGuffey readers at a garagse sale the other day.

Remember the Uncle Arthur series?
49 posted on 07/23/2006 6:01:49 PM PDT by Das Outsider (The Kim Perspective, 7/28: Beavis and Butthead, Kofi Annan, and amazing animal tricks)
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To: little jeremiah
I'm going to give them to a homeschooling family as soon as I'm done reading them. After all, I never finished high school - I need to polish off my education.

You write at a college level and think at one as well, if that's any consolation.
50 posted on 07/23/2006 6:09:11 PM PDT by Das Outsider (The Kim Perspective, 7/28: Beavis and Butthead, Kofi Annan, and amazing animal tricks)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

"What happens for those kids that cannot afford school?"

I would prefer that charity step in. But ultimately I think that's the future role the government schools will be filling in our society: educator of last resort.


51 posted on 07/23/2006 6:14:55 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: silverleaf

"vouchers from tax funds, in the amount currently spent on each child in public school. "

It's not going to happen. The courts simply knock voucher programs down in short order.

I don't like vouchers, for two reasons. First, they're a political red herring. So-called "conservative" politicians propose them secure in the knowledge that the courts will not let them stand. This allows so-called "conservative" politicians to give the appearance of implementing change, while not actually doing it.

Second, there is no such thing as an educational program without strings attached. There will be controls over curriculum, teacher qualifications, etc.


52 posted on 07/23/2006 6:22:20 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Second, there is no such thing as an educational program without strings attached. There will be controls over curriculum, teacher qualifications, etc.


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Hopefully, the government schools will simply collapse like the Berlin Wall.

Government schools need three things: Students, money, and votes.

Every time a parent pulls their child from the government school, the government school loses a student, money, and votes. All it takes is a large enough bolus of parents and the government schools will disintegrate.


53 posted on 07/23/2006 7:26:58 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: IronJack

How can a fact be religiously neutral when all truth is of the Truth? :-)


54 posted on 07/23/2006 8:03:10 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Das Outsider

Thank you! You are more than kind. I have my ups and downs and some serious holes - like mathematics....among others.

Never read the Uncle Arthur series. I read the Dick and Jane books in first grade, but I had learned how to read from comics so when I was 4 I was reading regular kids' books. Dick and Jane was so boring it made me hate school for the rest of my checkered career.


55 posted on 07/23/2006 8:03:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wintertime

This probably belongs on a different thread, but how Catholic is your Catholic school? No nuns? lots of protestant teachers? Teaching from secular texts? How much better is that?


56 posted on 07/23/2006 8:06:38 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: wintertime

I am of the opinion that our current public school system is unconstitutional. This belief is based on the 1st amendment. Our religious beliefs are disregarded and cannot be upheld in the current PC anti-God atmosphere.


57 posted on 07/23/2006 8:08:17 PM PDT by LadyForLiberty
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To: little jeremiah
Schocked, huh? J
58 posted on 07/23/2006 8:40:35 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: WriteOn

Because there's truth, then there's Truth.


59 posted on 07/23/2006 8:58:39 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: scripter

I need the McGuffey spelling boock.


60 posted on 07/23/2006 9:02:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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